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I think it is possible to entertain the notion that these laws are not some inviolable physical property of the Universe, but something we made up and so are al
by yedava 4y ago
I think it is possible to entertain the notion that these laws are not some inviolable physical property of the Universe, but something we made up and so are also something we can undo.
- buscoquadnary 4y agoIn this case in the US it requires a constitutional amendment. Although in all honesty even if an amendment did occur the faith and trust in the government at this point is so low it would probably just encourage rather than convince gun owners.
- taeric 4y agoStrictly, it doesn't. A supreme court decision that gave a new interpretation of arms would be needed. But, as stated elsewhere, many arms and guns are already regulated. Quite heavily.
- wombat-man 4y agoI just don't think that after the way things have worked out in the past we'll suddenly see a supreme court decision that is wildly different from what we've seen. I don't think anything will change until congress decides to make an amendment which isn't going to happen unless attitudes broadly shift in this country. Buckle in, this is just how it's going to be I think.
- taeric 4y agoDismissing that they did just signal a reversal on previous rulings, it is a matter of time until it happens. Long matter of time, but either the US falls to basically fascism, or the courts eventually see a makeup that is more liberal and change things.
- simon1ltd 4y agoI'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The conservatives I know believe everyone should know how to handle a firearm safely, and believe people have a right to defend themselves from criminals, as well as the government. It appears to be liberals trying to disarm fellow citizens and make sure the government has all encompassing powers. To state that differently: one side appears to believe that if we pass law "A" or ban object "B" that everything will be better. The other side seems to believe "bad" or "evil" people/governments will always exist, and that everyone has the right to actively defend themselves and their families. Including the people that don't like "B".
- taeric 4y agoThe "true conservatives" conceit is... Sad. I think it is safe to say that nobody wants kids getting shot. Despite that, most of the conservative voting block has routinely pushed measures that lead us here. So this, "bad people will find a way" is such a "let's ignore the evidence of literally every other nation" to give up and clutch pearls before swine. Directly, though, my point is that most of these extreme conservative views are self consuming and on the way out. I thought it was Carlin that said it, but I can't find a direct quote. Basically the world gets more liberal as old views literally die off.
- wombat-man 4y agoI really don't think we should count on such an outcome and idk what it would even look like. A change like this should come from congress, which honestly feels a little more likely than shifting the court to be liberal enough to do whatever it is you're hoping for.
- taeric 4y agoOh agreed. I don't want to rely on that change. At this point, I don't see the surf of shifting Congress being that much faster than shifting the court. Both are slow.
- tshaddox 4y agoDon’t even need the Supreme Court. Congress can simply pass laws. That’s the current reason why you can’t own an M27, for example.
- taeric 4y agoRight, I was just pointing out that we don't strictly need a new law. Reinterpretation of existing laws works just fine. Settled law is clearly not settled for good.