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Or we could take the spate of teenage psychopathic murderers and develop a plan to combat it sanely.

tomrod 4y ago
Like reducing access to guns! Yes, we can agree! The causal model for gun violence is simple. Motivation, and access to guns. We can and should address motivations. Reducing access to guns has a strong effect too, evidenced by other countries people bring up "mass knife murders" of like 5 people in. Arms get tired with knives. Cars can't drive everywhere. Bombs and explosive devices take special skills. Restricting access (even indirectly, through increasing cost of ownership via mandatory insurance purchases, required registration of last owner of record [and having that owner culpable when their weapons are used], and so forth) reduces gun death.
- stevenicr 4y ago
  unfortunately in this digital age especially - I forsee that those who want to lash out in this mass murder way will continue to do so if we have twice as many guns or no guns at all. Part of it is the notoriety and that comes with getting a large number - and if you can't do it will bullets - they will discover fire / carbon monixode, bleach and.. heck I'll bet there's a new fake ticktak challenge showing these things and more. how to recon to turn off AC and disable sprinklers and chain doors.. and the counts will be much higher. I submit we need to focus on things like teaching conflict resolution, and have peer groups that can help the bullied and the slighted and things like that will likely have a better impact on changing these things. (there's not enough counselors and they don't have enough reach when they are available) I mean stressing the kids to learn geometry (and not conflict resolution) and just ignore the bullies is not working. luckily locking doors and other methods can help with the bullets issue, that won't prevent mustard gas or a bus exhaust from penetrating and making someone famous.
  - tomrod 4y ago
    > unfortunately in this digital age especially - I forsee that those who want to lash out in this mass murder way will continue to do so if we have twice as many guns or no guns at all. Let's test thst assertion.
  - Vecr 4y ago
    Let's test thst assertion. > Okay, let's try the "double" way first though.

Like reducing access to guns! Yes, we can agree! The causal model for gun violence is simple. Motivation, and access to guns. We can and should address motivations. Reducing access to guns has a strong effect too, evidenced by other countries people bring up "mass knife murders" of like 5 people in. Arms get tired with knives. Cars can't drive everywhere. Bombs and explosive devices take special skills. Restricting access (even indirectly, through increasing cost of ownership via mandatory insurance purchases, required registration of last owner of record [and having that owner culpable when their weapons are used], and so forth) reduces gun death.

stevenicr 4y ago
unfortunately in this digital age especially - I forsee that those who want to lash out in this mass murder way will continue to do so if we have twice as many guns or no guns at all. Part of it is the notoriety and that comes with getting a large number - and if you can't do it will bullets - they will discover fire / carbon monixode, bleach and.. heck I'll bet there's a new fake ticktak challenge showing these things and more. how to recon to turn off AC and disable sprinklers and chain doors.. and the counts will be much higher. I submit we need to focus on things like teaching conflict resolution, and have peer groups that can help the bullied and the slighted and things like that will likely have a better impact on changing these things. (there's not enough counselors and they don't have enough reach when they are available) I mean stressing the kids to learn geometry (and not conflict resolution) and just ignore the bullies is not working. luckily locking doors and other methods can help with the bullets issue, that won't prevent mustard gas or a bus exhaust from penetrating and making someone famous.
- tomrod 4y ago
  > unfortunately in this digital age especially - I forsee that those who want to lash out in this mass murder way will continue to do so if we have twice as many guns or no guns at all. Let's test thst assertion.
- Vecr 4y ago
  Let's test thst assertion. > Okay, let's try the "double" way first though.