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We need gory pictures from the executed kids everywhere. Until we understand the magnitude of the horror. I look at my FB and see proud gun owners cracking jo

We need gory pictures from the executed kids everywhere. Until we understand the magnitude of the horror. I look at my FB and see proud gun owners cracking jokes and I really cannot comprehend how it is possible.

heavyset_go 4y ago
Felt the same way about COVID and war. If cameras were allowed into ICUs, and into war-torn areas, and not just the carefully choreographed media tours the military sometimes allows these days, things would change.
- dane-pgp 4y ago
  Do we want policy decisions to be influenced by which side can produce the most emotive imagery, though? This is just "think of the children" with more steps. For example, if you're going to highlight the scenes from inside ICUs, why not also show images of children crying when receiving their COVID jabs?
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    I think the public should be afforded the opportunity to see the real effects and results of the policies they enact. Propagandists are going to propagandize whether the truth is out there or not, and I think it is better to allow for the truth to prevail at all, than to have it shrouded and obfuscated because of fears that it might spook some.
  - vkou 4y ago
    No, it should instead be influenced by the side that shouts the loudest in a Fox opinion piece. The propaganda you decry is already well-embedded in our discourse. It's people shouting about Obama hosting death panels that will kill grandma, or how Biden will somehow turn this country into a socialist paradise, or how the Dems are stealing the election. The kind of censorship you are asking for does not enhance discourse. It diminishes it. If people are creating policies that produce horror, they need to be able to stand in front of that horror, and affirm that they are okay with it. Not whitewash it with euphemisms, and statistics and 'this is uncomfortable to talk about.'
bogwog 4y ago
The way I see it is this: if you're against gun control, you're either A) Devoid of empathy B) A lunatic Because if one of your kids/loved ones is killed in a mass shooting like this, and you're still against gun control, then you're a lunatic. If not, then you're just an asshole with zero sympathy for the families that have lost loved ones. I don't know about you, but regardless of the politics, I would not want any of my elected officials to fall into category A or B.
- buscoquadnary 4y ago
  See that's part of why we can't have a discussion on the issue as long as one side keeps believing that the other side is a members of the globohomo communist conspiracy and the other side views everyone else as morally impaired nut cases we won't get anywhere. We'll keep having nothing happen and keeping getting madder and madder.
- akomtu 4y ago
  These A & B is a cheap rhetorical trick, called the false dichotomy, because there's also C which is "you understand that guns save many more people from criminals". On the one side there are 5 thousand of innocents shot every year. On the other side there are 500 thousand of would-be killed and would-be raped innocents who used guns to defend themselves. By banning guns you're playing a demi-god who is deciding which of the two groups of innocents are less worthy, a demi-god who doesn't even care to consider all the facts and instead submits to emotions.
- lamp987 4y ago
  Nice false dichotomy and demagoguery. There can be no debate when people like you go and throw a wrench into it. PS: I come from a certain european country, that has easier access to guns (including assault rifles) than large part of USA. Guess what - zero school shootings.
neonate 4y ago
I understand the feeling, but I don't think it would work. People would get upset and get even angrier at whoever they already think is to blame, and after a while everyone would become desensitized to it.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  They still aren't going to be as traumatized as the parents who had to get their cheeks swabbed because some of the kids were so violated by gunfire that they weren't capable of being identified visually.
  - whatever1 4y ago
    These parents died with their kids. They are just breathing bodies.
themacguffinman 4y ago
If I show you gory pictures from a car accident, would you understand the magnitude of the horror of cars to the extent that you would want to ban cars?
- whatever1 4y ago
  Yes I would be willing to have mandated integrated breathalyzers in the cars to disable them when the driver is intoxicated. Also cars are indeed banned for people who have not passed a driver's test. On the other hand I can walk into a sporting goods store like Dick's and get a gun and a thousand bullets no questions asked.
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    Do you think drunk driving is the only cause of car deaths? The facts don't bear this out, even if you remove the fraction of car deaths that involve alcohol impairment, the magnitude of car deaths remains truly enormous.
    - voganmother42 4y ago
      way to ignore the licensing and registration!
      - themacguffinman 4y ago
        I didn't feel it was necessary to address licensing and registration because as you know, practically all drivers on the road are licensed and registered and it has yet to solve the truly enormous magnitude of gory car deaths. If one were easily swayed by gory scenes, they would want to go much further than license and registration.
        whatever1 4y ago
        They work for cigarettes for example. https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-could-have-prevented-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-...
arminiusreturns 4y ago
I remember coming back from Iraq wishing the American public should have to see what we were actually doing. America and it's allies export death and destruction, but we dont show or talk about a president bombing a wedding, or sending arms to the Saudis they use to blow up a school bus full of Yemeni kids. Keep quiet about the ~14,000 dead Russian speakers in the Donbass conflict since a CIA backed coup in 2014. Say nothing about all the various North African countries we've couped, or the South American Ones, or the SE Asia ones. Don't mention programs like Fast and Furious sending mexican cartels arms, or sending other cartels guns for drugs that get pumped into the inner cities and make our 3 letters have oodles of off-books black bag money. I see pundits on Bloomberg cackle about Lockheed and Raytheon outperforming the market on national television and radio. News hosts talk about missles sent to Syria against our own Constitution as beautiful. Warmongers given platforms on supposedly left shows. Unnacountable bankers financing it all. SV is so full of myopic hypocrites. Show the gore, sure, but be sure to show it all.

heavyset_go 4y ago

Felt the same way about COVID and war. If cameras were allowed into ICUs, and into war-torn areas, and not just the carefully choreographed media tours the military sometimes allows these days, things would change.

dane-pgp 4y ago
Do we want policy decisions to be influenced by which side can produce the most emotive imagery, though? This is just "think of the children" with more steps. For example, if you're going to highlight the scenes from inside ICUs, why not also show images of children crying when receiving their COVID jabs?
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  I think the public should be afforded the opportunity to see the real effects and results of the policies they enact. Propagandists are going to propagandize whether the truth is out there or not, and I think it is better to allow for the truth to prevail at all, than to have it shrouded and obfuscated because of fears that it might spook some.
- vkou 4y ago
  No, it should instead be influenced by the side that shouts the loudest in a Fox opinion piece. The propaganda you decry is already well-embedded in our discourse. It's people shouting about Obama hosting death panels that will kill grandma, or how Biden will somehow turn this country into a socialist paradise, or how the Dems are stealing the election. The kind of censorship you are asking for does not enhance discourse. It diminishes it. If people are creating policies that produce horror, they need to be able to stand in front of that horror, and affirm that they are okay with it. Not whitewash it with euphemisms, and statistics and 'this is uncomfortable to talk about.'

bogwog 4y ago

The way I see it is this: if you're against gun control, you're either A) Devoid of empathy B) A lunatic Because if one of your kids/loved ones is killed in a mass shooting like this, and you're still against gun control, then you're a lunatic. If not, then you're just an asshole with zero sympathy for the families that have lost loved ones. I don't know about you, but regardless of the politics, I would not want any of my elected officials to fall into category A or B.

buscoquadnary 4y ago
See that's part of why we can't have a discussion on the issue as long as one side keeps believing that the other side is a members of the globohomo communist conspiracy and the other side views everyone else as morally impaired nut cases we won't get anywhere. We'll keep having nothing happen and keeping getting madder and madder.
akomtu 4y ago
These A & B is a cheap rhetorical trick, called the false dichotomy, because there's also C which is "you understand that guns save many more people from criminals". On the one side there are 5 thousand of innocents shot every year. On the other side there are 500 thousand of would-be killed and would-be raped innocents who used guns to defend themselves. By banning guns you're playing a demi-god who is deciding which of the two groups of innocents are less worthy, a demi-god who doesn't even care to consider all the facts and instead submits to emotions.
lamp987 4y ago
Nice false dichotomy and demagoguery. There can be no debate when people like you go and throw a wrench into it. PS: I come from a certain european country, that has easier access to guns (including assault rifles) than large part of USA. Guess what - zero school shootings.

neonate 4y ago

I understand the feeling, but I don't think it would work. People would get upset and get even angrier at whoever they already think is to blame, and after a while everyone would become desensitized to it.

MisterBastahrd 4y ago
They still aren't going to be as traumatized as the parents who had to get their cheeks swabbed because some of the kids were so violated by gunfire that they weren't capable of being identified visually.
- whatever1 4y ago
  These parents died with their kids. They are just breathing bodies.

themacguffinman 4y ago

If I show you gory pictures from a car accident, would you understand the magnitude of the horror of cars to the extent that you would want to ban cars?

whatever1 4y ago
Yes I would be willing to have mandated integrated breathalyzers in the cars to disable them when the driver is intoxicated. Also cars are indeed banned for people who have not passed a driver's test. On the other hand I can walk into a sporting goods store like Dick's and get a gun and a thousand bullets no questions asked.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  Do you think drunk driving is the only cause of car deaths? The facts don't bear this out, even if you remove the fraction of car deaths that involve alcohol impairment, the magnitude of car deaths remains truly enormous.
  - voganmother42 4y ago
    way to ignore the licensing and registration!
    - themacguffinman 4y ago
      I didn't feel it was necessary to address licensing and registration because as you know, practically all drivers on the road are licensed and registered and it has yet to solve the truly enormous magnitude of gory car deaths. If one were easily swayed by gory scenes, they would want to go much further than license and registration.
      - whatever1 4y ago
        They work for cigarettes for example. https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-could-have-prevented-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://news.umich.edu/graphic-warning-labels-on-cigarettes-...

arminiusreturns 4y ago

I remember coming back from Iraq wishing the American public should have to see what we were actually doing. America and it's allies export death and destruction, but we dont show or talk about a president bombing a wedding, or sending arms to the Saudis they use to blow up a school bus full of Yemeni kids. Keep quiet about the ~14,000 dead Russian speakers in the Donbass conflict since a CIA backed coup in 2014. Say nothing about all the various North African countries we've couped, or the South American Ones, or the SE Asia ones. Don't mention programs like Fast and Furious sending mexican cartels arms, or sending other cartels guns for drugs that get pumped into the inner cities and make our 3 letters have oodles of off-books black bag money. I see pundits on Bloomberg cackle about Lockheed and Raytheon outperforming the market on national television and radio. News hosts talk about missles sent to Syria against our own Constitution as beautiful. Warmongers given platforms on supposedly left shows. Unnacountable bankers financing it all. SV is so full of myopic hypocrites. Show the gore, sure, but be sure to show it all.