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Do people really go all-in with these systems? Is it worth the steep investment?

epolanski 4y ago
I have tried some. They never stuck and felt more of chores than frameworks. I think that the first thing you need to clarify is the goal of your notes and then try some relevant system and adapt it.
azeirah 4y ago
Obsidian is not complicated, it's a markdown editor with optional plugins. The workflows people imagine around them are complicated. I use it in a way that is similar to the 16 minute video posted elsewhere in this thread, and it works well for me. Biggest benefits for me are: 1. Finding references, before using obsidian I would recall reading something somewhere but would be unable to find the so source 2. I remember stuff I write about better. I use it a lot for work, software engineering, so I summarize new ideas and concepts as notes which makes it so much easier to remember and understand The important part of that is that it forces me to break ideas down into manageable chunks. I can't make a note about "everything you need to know about react 18", but I can make a note about "React 18's useTransition hook prioritizes rendering of user input". 3. It's fun! I've always enjoyed writing, and always enjoyed customizing editors and IDEs, obsidian is a great fit for that. It's exclusively for so writing and organization, so now I have two main programs, my coding editor and my writing editor. 4. The program also just works really really well. Evernote is bloated and has weird updates, emacs is insanely complicated and maybe just a little bit too powerful? Roam and friends are too chaotic for me, I don't function well with 0 structure. All simple markdown programs I used lacked good syncing, although sublime text with Dropbox came close. But obsidian just syncs perfectly, and has a very performant application on all devices I use, and yes I'm crazy enough to use all three of windows, Linux and Mac os as well as mobile... I like variety Still, a lot of what obsidian does can be achieved with alternatives. Sublime works well with Dropbox, if you're in the apple ecosystem then Apple notes is great! Regular text editors or traditional note taking apps are still very viable. In the end it's about what you do. If you are a knowledge worker, or even more particularly a researcher/ academic you need a good solution for organizing your references, notes, ideas etc. Obsidian is a great choice for that. Otherwise don't bother unless you find it fun or interesting.
ubermonkey 4y ago
Yeah, and sometimes it even works! A LONG time ago now I went kinda all-in on OrgMode in emacs. I'd dabbled with emacs for years (I'm 52) but it never "took" for me as a full-time editor for lots of reasons. However, my endless search for a proper to-do management tool eventually led me there, because what I really wanted and needed is more or less Org's whole reason for being: being able to intermingle notes and TODO items, and then being able to generate a dynamic "view" of the TODOs from across a corpus of notes. Most Todo apps I'd tried, including lots of them based on the last big geek productivity obsession, GTD, had only paltry note features. That didn't work for me or my job AT ALL. I wanted One Trusted System, and Org gave me that. Now, if I was coming to this need NOW I think I'd probably look more closely at linked, syncing tools like Obsidian. You can mimic the "show me my todos" thing with Obsidian, though it's less organic than with Org -- but on the other hand, Obsidian has mobile apps that are very good, and I have yet to find an iOS tool that meshes will with my work style in OrgMode. Obsidian also has a MUCH MUCH LESS ONEROUS learning curve. I love orgmode, but I would absolutely not suggest that most people undertake learning emacs just for a productivity tool. ;) (I still don't code in it.)
- Macha 4y ago
  If you're using obsidian for todos, I definitely recommend trying out the tasks plugin (if your todos are markdown list items) or dataview (if your todos are their own notes)
  - ubermonkey 4y ago
    I'm in OrgMode. I test the waters with Obsidian periodically, but I also really, really hate Electron apps so I'm unlikely to make the jump from Org into something unless it's got a truly native Mac app.
    - taurusnoises 4y ago
      I've heard this sentiment before. What (for a very non-code, non-dev person like me) could you say about why you dislike Electron apps. From a user perspective especially. Thanks. :)

I have tried some. They never stuck and felt more of chores than frameworks. I think that the first thing you need to clarify is the goal of your notes and then try some relevant system and adapt it.

azeirah 4y ago

Obsidian is not complicated, it's a markdown editor with optional plugins. The workflows people imagine around them are complicated. I use it in a way that is similar to the 16 minute video posted elsewhere in this thread, and it works well for me. Biggest benefits for me are: 1. Finding references, before using obsidian I would recall reading something somewhere but would be unable to find the so source 2. I remember stuff I write about better. I use it a lot for work, software engineering, so I summarize new ideas and concepts as notes which makes it so much easier to remember and understand The important part of that is that it forces me to break ideas down into manageable chunks. I can't make a note about "everything you need to know about react 18", but I can make a note about "React 18's useTransition hook prioritizes rendering of user input". 3. It's fun! I've always enjoyed writing, and always enjoyed customizing editors and IDEs, obsidian is a great fit for that. It's exclusively for so writing and organization, so now I have two main programs, my coding editor and my writing editor. 4. The program also just works really really well. Evernote is bloated and has weird updates, emacs is insanely complicated and maybe just a little bit too powerful? Roam and friends are too chaotic for me, I don't function well with 0 structure. All simple markdown programs I used lacked good syncing, although sublime text with Dropbox came close. But obsidian just syncs perfectly, and has a very performant application on all devices I use, and yes I'm crazy enough to use all three of windows, Linux and Mac os as well as mobile... I like variety Still, a lot of what obsidian does can be achieved with alternatives. Sublime works well with Dropbox, if you're in the apple ecosystem then Apple notes is great! Regular text editors or traditional note taking apps are still very viable. In the end it's about what you do. If you are a knowledge worker, or even more particularly a researcher/ academic you need a good solution for organizing your references, notes, ideas etc. Obsidian is a great choice for that. Otherwise don't bother unless you find it fun or interesting.

ubermonkey 4y ago

Yeah, and sometimes it even works! A LONG time ago now I went kinda all-in on OrgMode in emacs. I'd dabbled with emacs for years (I'm 52) but it never "took" for me as a full-time editor for lots of reasons. However, my endless search for a proper to-do management tool eventually led me there, because what I really wanted and needed is more or less Org's whole reason for being: being able to intermingle notes and TODO items, and then being able to generate a dynamic "view" of the TODOs from across a corpus of notes. Most Todo apps I'd tried, including lots of them based on the last big geek productivity obsession, GTD, had only paltry note features. That didn't work for me or my job AT ALL. I wanted One Trusted System, and Org gave me that. Now, if I was coming to this need NOW I think I'd probably look more closely at linked, syncing tools like Obsidian. You can mimic the "show me my todos" thing with Obsidian, though it's less organic than with Org -- but on the other hand, Obsidian has mobile apps that are very good, and I have yet to find an iOS tool that meshes will with my work style in OrgMode. Obsidian also has a MUCH MUCH LESS ONEROUS learning curve. I love orgmode, but I would absolutely not suggest that most people undertake learning emacs just for a productivity tool. ;) (I still don't code in it.)

Macha 4y ago
If you're using obsidian for todos, I definitely recommend trying out the tasks plugin (if your todos are markdown list items) or dataview (if your todos are their own notes)
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  I'm in OrgMode. I test the waters with Obsidian periodically, but I also really, really hate Electron apps so I'm unlikely to make the jump from Org into something unless it's got a truly native Mac app.
  - taurusnoises 4y ago
    I've heard this sentiment before. What (for a very non-code, non-dev person like me) could you say about why you dislike Electron apps. From a user perspective especially. Thanks. :)