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Totally agree on the data lock-out problem. Quoting from https://museapp.com/memos/2021-06-pricing/ https://museapp.com/memos/2021-06-pricing/ > In an ideal wo

Totally agree on the data lock-out problem. Quoting from https://museapp.com/memos/2021-06-pricing/ https://museapp.com/memos/2021-06-pricing/ > In an ideal world, a software subscription will let you pay just when you’re getting value from a product, and stop paying when you aren't getting value any more. In practice, many subscriptions feel bad because they are hard to cancel; or worse yet, they require you to pay forever to keep accessing the content you’ve created in the app. > Muse is different. We never want to hold your data hostage. You should pay for it only when you’re getting active use out of the app. > Once you cancel your membership (after a month, a year, or ten years) all your cards will still be fully accessible. You can still navigate around, doodle on your boards and PDFs, move cards, and export a subset or all of it as a Muse bundle or PDF. You can search by label, change labels, edit text. > The only thing you can’t do? Add new content. > You never need to worry that your data is locked up. We want you to pay for the value you’re getting from the tool, not for the data storage.

skinnymuch 4y ago
If Muse disappears tomorrow. Servers shut down and all. Would access to notes still work? I am not actually in fear of something happening that suddenly. I defended the general concept of subscriptions elsewhere. Still I am interested to know what happens in such a scenario
- adamwiggins 4y ago
  In that case you'd still have full access to your documents. In keeping with local-first values the complete and canonical dataset resides on your devices (Macs/iPads). Sync service outage or total shutdown would result in your no longer being able to sync between devices, but all the devices would have whatever data they had at time the service went offline, and you can continue to make local edits until the end of time. You can test this out: just put some stuff into Muse, then turn off your wifi / go into airplane mode / shut off the network in some other way. Keep working with your data and watch the sync indicator; it will show that you have a lot of unsynced changes, but never will your ability to work be interrupted.
  - CGamesPlay 4y ago
    And, just to confirm, there's nothing that would cause you to get logged out and pushed into some login screen, is there? Spotify had a nasty bug where it locked you out of all of your offline content because their server accidentally responded with a 401 when it had an outage. Thanks for the replies. I actually did try out Muse after reading them!

skinnymuch 4y ago

If Muse disappears tomorrow. Servers shut down and all. Would access to notes still work? I am not actually in fear of something happening that suddenly. I defended the general concept of subscriptions elsewhere. Still I am interested to know what happens in such a scenario

adamwiggins 4y ago
In that case you'd still have full access to your documents. In keeping with local-first values the complete and canonical dataset resides on your devices (Macs/iPads). Sync service outage or total shutdown would result in your no longer being able to sync between devices, but all the devices would have whatever data they had at time the service went offline, and you can continue to make local edits until the end of time. You can test this out: just put some stuff into Muse, then turn off your wifi / go into airplane mode / shut off the network in some other way. Keep working with your data and watch the sync indicator; it will show that you have a lot of unsynced changes, but never will your ability to work be interrupted.
- CGamesPlay 4y ago
  And, just to confirm, there's nothing that would cause you to get logged out and pushed into some login screen, is there? Spotify had a nasty bug where it locked you out of all of your offline content because their server accidentally responded with a 401 when it had an outage. Thanks for the replies. I actually did try out Muse after reading them!