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It's a lot of work. That alone is reason enough for a lot of newspapers. But I also kind of agree. While truth and sources are important and I would like newspa

It's a lot of work. That alone is reason enough for a lot of newspapers. But I also kind of agree. While truth and sources are important and I would like newspapers to list sources and citations more often, the narrative is an important element. The author of the original article mentions that a publication they read would not be intelligible without citation because you lose the context. I don't think just switching citations on and off is a viable form of marrying good narrative and academic standards.

causi 4y ago
It's a lot of work. How so? When I was writing papers in college I'd read my sources, bang out the text, then for every citable claim I'd ctrl+F my sources and cite them. For a journalist who's presumably taking notes while writing an article it should be even faster. This only seems hard if you're writing articles based purely on vibes and not information.
- corrral 4y ago
  Citation always felt like the most onerous part of writing papers in high school. I hated it. It seemed to take forever. Even with auto-formatters. The culprit was MLA. Chicago-style (which I was allowed to use in most college classes) or just a very-casual "here's the link" are easy. Fucking MLA. No idea why it's what they teach in secondary school. It blows, well-developed alternatives exist, and it's not even anywhere near being some kind of universal, preferred citation style in all of academia.
  - causi 4y ago
    I couldn't agree more. I'm sure kids today have browser extensions that can streamline the process.
kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
They have full time fact checkers on staff. The work is already being done.
SllX 4y ago
The narrative is the thing most in need of scrutiny no matter what news you’re reading, if you are reading for the supposed informational value. Paper and ink are not the constraints they once were and news sites clearly have bandwidth to spare given all the crap they try to force the majority of their readers to download to read one article. Hyperlinks are a core function of the web and for the New York Times, the web is their primary medium now.

causi 4y ago

It's a lot of work. How so? When I was writing papers in college I'd read my sources, bang out the text, then for every citable claim I'd ctrl+F my sources and cite them. For a journalist who's presumably taking notes while writing an article it should be even faster. This only seems hard if you're writing articles based purely on vibes and not information.

corrral 4y ago
Citation always felt like the most onerous part of writing papers in high school. I hated it. It seemed to take forever. Even with auto-formatters. The culprit was MLA. Chicago-style (which I was allowed to use in most college classes) or just a very-casual "here's the link" are easy. Fucking MLA. No idea why it's what they teach in secondary school. It blows, well-developed alternatives exist, and it's not even anywhere near being some kind of universal, preferred citation style in all of academia.
- causi 4y ago
  I couldn't agree more. I'm sure kids today have browser extensions that can streamline the process.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago

They have full time fact checkers on staff. The work is already being done.

SllX 4y ago

The narrative is the thing most in need of scrutiny no matter what news you’re reading, if you are reading for the supposed informational value. Paper and ink are not the constraints they once were and news sites clearly have bandwidth to spare given all the crap they try to force the majority of their readers to download to read one article. Hyperlinks are a core function of the web and for the New York Times, the web is their primary medium now.