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Have Californians stopped watering their golf courses? I'll believe Gavin's seriousness when that happens. Yes, agriculture uses most of the water, but what ar

Have Californians stopped watering their golf courses? I'll believe Gavin's seriousness when that happens. Yes, agriculture uses most of the water, but what are you going to eat? Have you not read that severe food shortages are coming? Very few people are going to be happy eating bugs and drinking soylent while living in a pod in the metaverse.

basedgod 4y ago
you are using infantile logic to argue your point, that: -california grows food -americans need food to eat -therefoe, there should be absolutely no restrictions whatsoever on agriculture, and farmers should be able to use as much water and grown in the most wasteful ways possible, because after all we need food there's tons of crops in drought stricken California that are grown relatively efficiently. there's tons more where football fields of water are used to grow calorie empty foods in horribly inefficient ways farmers have such a lock over the feeble minded such as yourself that any blame they share over instances of wasteful water use is deflected because "hey we're growing food here and you need to eat" the state could issue subsidies for farmers to upgrade to lower impact irrigation systems. for other types of crops, their water usage is way too high compared to their caloric yield, and these crops should no longer be grown. our consumerist society doesn't justify growing literally whatever we want wherever we want, regardless of the externalities of water usage
vineyardmike 4y ago
The largest crop by water usage is used to feed horses. Alfalfa is 18% of all water, and 4% of farm revenue. The farmers only pay 7% of the price that city dwellers in LA pay per unit of water. Beyond that, tree nuts are a widely cited crop that uses excessive water. Point is, we probably can reevaluate how much we “need” this crops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California
- bozhark 4y ago
  I thought it was agriculture, almonds specifically
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    Yea, this is true. Almonds use a lot of water per calories, which is where their reputation comes from. But alfalfa is apparently the biggest user of water in California.
- spfzero 4y ago
  Indeed. Farmers grow a lot of things. Some are useful as human food. Some fewer are necessary food. Of the necessary food, could we, possibly, get it from somewhere else? Somewhere with more water?

basedgod 4y ago

you are using infantile logic to argue your point, that: -california grows food -americans need food to eat -therefoe, there should be absolutely no restrictions whatsoever on agriculture, and farmers should be able to use as much water and grown in the most wasteful ways possible, because after all we need food there's tons of crops in drought stricken California that are grown relatively efficiently. there's tons more where football fields of water are used to grow calorie empty foods in horribly inefficient ways farmers have such a lock over the feeble minded such as yourself that any blame they share over instances of wasteful water use is deflected because "hey we're growing food here and you need to eat" the state could issue subsidies for farmers to upgrade to lower impact irrigation systems. for other types of crops, their water usage is way too high compared to their caloric yield, and these crops should no longer be grown. our consumerist society doesn't justify growing literally whatever we want wherever we want, regardless of the externalities of water usage

vineyardmike 4y ago

The largest crop by water usage is used to feed horses. Alfalfa is 18% of all water, and 4% of farm revenue. The farmers only pay 7% of the price that city dwellers in LA pay per unit of water. Beyond that, tree nuts are a widely cited crop that uses excessive water. Point is, we probably can reevaluate how much we “need” this crops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_in_California

bozhark 4y ago
I thought it was agriculture, almonds specifically
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  Yea, this is true. Almonds use a lot of water per calories, which is where their reputation comes from. But alfalfa is apparently the biggest user of water in California.
spfzero 4y ago
Indeed. Farmers grow a lot of things. Some are useful as human food. Some fewer are necessary food. Of the necessary food, could we, possibly, get it from somewhere else? Somewhere with more water?