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Not taking anything away from the free product, it looks like a nice UI (using JUCE) on top of AoO [1] (Audio over OSC, the peer-to-peer audio part). [1] https

by speps 4y ago

Not taking anything away from the free product, it looks like a nice UI (using JUCE) on top of AoO [1] (Audio over OSC, the peer-to-peer audio part). [1] https://github.com/essej/aoo https://github.com/essej/aoo

0x69420 4y ago
"Part of the myth is thinking that packaging is technology. [...] Microsoft Windows is packaging and conventions. The Macintosh is packaging and conventions. The World Wide Web is packaging and conventions. Underneath these wrappers are the real technologies: TCP/IP, DNS, graphical displays, [...] compression, payment mechanisms, encryption, and so on, but the wrapper is what people see." -Ted Nelson [1] that being said, this is one bit of “packaging” im particularly grateful for -- by complete coincidence, i found it a few days ago, and the fact that the app is free* and available everywhere means i can finally use my phone as an audio receiver for any computer†. now i can listen to talks with slides on a big screen while i cook or clean at antisocial hours, and let the rest of the house sleep without having to buy a bluetooth DAC (or a pair of wireless headphones‡) actually kind of funny -- other solutions to this exist on ios but they are in fact paid apps. same goes for various bits of “packaging” that solve similarly trivial problems, which was a part of growing up with apple stuff that was always deeply insulting to me. i recently came across someone singing the praises of a safari extension for user styles. it is two dollars and ninety nine cents on the mac app store. christ. i hope the grift goes well for the author, we've all got to get by somehow, but good fucking lord * actually free, as in no strings attached, open source, not freemium adware, not sending 24kbps opus of everything that goes through it to some adtech firm's speech recognition neural net † ive janked together things like an icecast instance -> mobile safari before, but good lord the latency is ass ‡ headphones are such amazing consumer tech. they do not go bad by default. cans from the 80s sound just as good in 2022. wireless headphones throw this out the window and slap an expiration date on. i categorically object on principle [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnGPQaICjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnGPQaICjk
- dwohnitmok 4y ago
  I'll the contrarian stance. Through a certain lens, packaging is technology, technology is packaging. The two are indistinguishable. TCP/IP is merely a given package of conventions around how bytes should be ordered. Compression even more so! Encryption is likewise just a set of conventions and packaging around how to transmit bytes. So on and so forth. In the physical domain this holds true as well. Any given piece of physical equipment is merely a packaging and rearrangement of other physical components together. Okay so what's the upshot of all this besides word games? By thinking of technology as simply packaging, we can reuse a lot of the prior work that people use to create packaging in how we think about technology as well as explain a lot of technological trends by analogy with how packaging works. We also should realize the opposite direction as well: a lot of packaging concerns are fundamentally the same as technological concerns and many similar trade-offs are made.
  - 0x69420 4y ago
    i am in full agreement that, for instance, a shell script consisting of grep piped into sed is as deserving of being called a “program” as grep and sed themselves are it does come down to where you draw the line, though -- is a PaaS subscription plan technology? not the infra behind PaaS firm's epic load balancer that lets them provision leanly and fatten their margins. not the javascript minifier that does its damned best to cut down time from link clicked to prices and features in browser viewport with animated gradients in background. not even the spreadsheet from the accountant who drafted up expected returns across a range of pricing schemes. but the subscription plan itself. that thing, which we conveniently refer to as a package pretty often. is it also technology?
    - ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
      turtles all the way down?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - dwohnitmok 4y ago
spacechild1 4y ago
Hey, original author of AoO here. Don't underestimate the value of good UI design! Also, Sonobus offers a few additional goodies, such as mixing/routing, FX, recording to disk, etc. IMO, jesse does a fantastic job.
- em3rgent0rdr 4y ago
  Definately. It seems like I've only been able to get friends with engineering degrees to operate something like JackTrip. But SonoBus I can get regular musicians to use.

by speps 4y ago

0x69420 4y ago

"Part of the myth is thinking that packaging is technology. [...] Microsoft Windows is packaging and conventions. The Macintosh is packaging and conventions. The World Wide Web is packaging and conventions. Underneath these wrappers are the real technologies: TCP/IP, DNS, graphical displays, [...] compression, payment mechanisms, encryption, and so on, but the wrapper is what people see." -Ted Nelson [1] that being said, this is one bit of “packaging” im particularly grateful for -- by complete coincidence, i found it a few days ago, and the fact that the app is free* and available everywhere means i can finally use my phone as an audio receiver for any computer†. now i can listen to talks with slides on a big screen while i cook or clean at antisocial hours, and let the rest of the house sleep without having to buy a bluetooth DAC (or a pair of wireless headphones‡) actually kind of funny -- other solutions to this exist on ios but they are in fact paid apps. same goes for various bits of “packaging” that solve similarly trivial problems, which was a part of growing up with apple stuff that was always deeply insulting to me. i recently came across someone singing the praises of a safari extension for user styles. it is two dollars and ninety nine cents on the mac app store. christ. i hope the grift goes well for the author, we've all got to get by somehow, but good fucking lord * actually free, as in no strings attached, open source, not freemium adware, not sending 24kbps opus of everything that goes through it to some adtech firm's speech recognition neural net † ive janked together things like an icecast instance -> mobile safari before, but good lord the latency is ass ‡ headphones are such amazing consumer tech. they do not go bad by default. cans from the 80s sound just as good in 2022. wireless headphones throw this out the window and slap an expiration date on. i categorically object on principle [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnGPQaICjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnGPQaICjk

dwohnitmok 4y ago
I'll the contrarian stance. Through a certain lens, packaging is technology, technology is packaging. The two are indistinguishable. TCP/IP is merely a given package of conventions around how bytes should be ordered. Compression even more so! Encryption is likewise just a set of conventions and packaging around how to transmit bytes. So on and so forth. In the physical domain this holds true as well. Any given piece of physical equipment is merely a packaging and rearrangement of other physical components together. Okay so what's the upshot of all this besides word games? By thinking of technology as simply packaging, we can reuse a lot of the prior work that people use to create packaging in how we think about technology as well as explain a lot of technological trends by analogy with how packaging works. We also should realize the opposite direction as well: a lot of packaging concerns are fundamentally the same as technological concerns and many similar trade-offs are made.
- 0x69420 4y ago
  i am in full agreement that, for instance, a shell script consisting of grep piped into sed is as deserving of being called a “program” as grep and sed themselves are it does come down to where you draw the line, though -- is a PaaS subscription plan technology? not the infra behind PaaS firm's epic load balancer that lets them provision leanly and fatten their margins. not the javascript minifier that does its damned best to cut down time from link clicked to prices and features in browser viewport with animated gradients in background. not even the spreadsheet from the accountant who drafted up expected returns across a range of pricing schemes. but the subscription plan itself. that thing, which we conveniently refer to as a package pretty often. is it also technology?
  - ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
    turtles all the way down?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - dwohnitmok 4y ago

spacechild1 4y ago

Hey, original author of AoO here. Don't underestimate the value of good UI design! Also, Sonobus offers a few additional goodies, such as mixing/routing, FX, recording to disk, etc. IMO, jesse does a fantastic job.

em3rgent0rdr 4y ago
Definately. It seems like I've only been able to get friends with engineering degrees to operate something like JackTrip. But SonoBus I can get regular musicians to use.