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How many random people do you think will answer "yes" if you ask them if they 1) know what IPv6 is, and 2) if they want it? Yeah, maybe some ISPs should be lis

How many random people do you think will answer "yes" if you ask them if they 1) know what IPv6 is, and 2) if they want it? Yeah, maybe some ISPs should be listening to their customers more (I heard tales of ISPs in the US), but in this they're not wrong: consumer demand really is low. I've switched between IPv6-connected and IPv4-only quite a few times over the last 20 years due to moving to different countries with different options and was a fairly "early adopter" back in the day with the tunnels XS4ALL had, and even as a technical person I can't say I ever noticed the difference.

baq 4y ago
> How many random people do you think will answer "yes" if you ask them if they 1) know what IPv6 is, and 2) if they want it? you can ask the same question about IPv4 and get same answers.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  Yes, exactly. People don't care if they use IP or IPX or whatnot; as long as it works. And IPv4 does work, so people don't care.
  - dijit 4y ago
    > And IPv4 does work, so people don't care I think this elides the point really. People don't know when an issue is because of ipv4, for a good example: network issues in online video games are often caused by being unable to NAT punch, lag can also be because connection information is relayed by some far away STUN server. Same with in-game voice chat. Usually you need to set port forwards to make games work properly. In the event of GCNAT a customer has no possible recourse. But nobody understands the issue is largely because of IPv4, they just assume that's how it is, and assume the same issue would exist with IPv6
    - nousermane 4y ago
      Games, audio/video calls, screen sharing - any peer-to-peer traffic is a royal pain in the back with NAT and CGNAT especially. Larger providers (zoom, apple/facetime, twitch, ...) just set up relay servers and avoid p2p altogether - which cost money, increase latency/jitter, and decrease privacy. You can argue all of that are hidden costs of sticking to IPv4 for longer than we should have.
- nousermane 4y ago
  Well, you can also ask general public whether they prefer SAE or metric fasteners, or mix thereof, in their car, and get the same blank stare in return. But ask auto-mechanics, and hoo boy, will there be opinions.
  - Beltalowda 4y ago
    Sure, but the argument was that there is a demand from the general public/customers, and that's clearly not the case.

baq 4y ago

> How many random people do you think will answer "yes" if you ask them if they 1) know what IPv6 is, and 2) if they want it? you can ask the same question about IPv4 and get same answers.

Beltalowda 4y ago
Yes, exactly. People don't care if they use IP or IPX or whatnot; as long as it works. And IPv4 does work, so people don't care.
- dijit 4y ago
  > And IPv4 does work, so people don't care I think this elides the point really. People don't know when an issue is because of ipv4, for a good example: network issues in online video games are often caused by being unable to NAT punch, lag can also be because connection information is relayed by some far away STUN server. Same with in-game voice chat. Usually you need to set port forwards to make games work properly. In the event of GCNAT a customer has no possible recourse. But nobody understands the issue is largely because of IPv4, they just assume that's how it is, and assume the same issue would exist with IPv6
  - nousermane 4y ago
    Games, audio/video calls, screen sharing - any peer-to-peer traffic is a royal pain in the back with NAT and CGNAT especially. Larger providers (zoom, apple/facetime, twitch, ...) just set up relay servers and avoid p2p altogether - which cost money, increase latency/jitter, and decrease privacy. You can argue all of that are hidden costs of sticking to IPv4 for longer than we should have.
nousermane 4y ago
Well, you can also ask general public whether they prefer SAE or metric fasteners, or mix thereof, in their car, and get the same blank stare in return. But ask auto-mechanics, and hoo boy, will there be opinions.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  Sure, but the argument was that there is a demand from the general public/customers, and that's clearly not the case.