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> we, the consumers, will continue to buy them. Who's this "we"? I'm in the pre-buy stage, it looks like my record of non-car-ownership will end at 23 years.

by _jal 4y ago

> we, the consumers, will continue to buy them. Who's this "we"? I'm in the pre-buy stage, it looks like my record of non-car-ownership will end at 23 years. (My last car was stolen from a SOMA lot in 1999.) It does look like I'm buying used and IC, because I will not have a touch screen. I've driven basically every model of car you can rent, and some of them are less offensive than others, but they're all ass. Backup assist is vaguely nice, but I learned to parallel park before they existed, so I don't really care. And everything else about them is actively worse. The UI is such a weird thing to cheap out on. As far as I'm concerned, keep your butt warmers and solenoid-driven seat adjustment, I want physical knobs I don't have to look at to use.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
' I'm buying used and IC, because I will not have a touch screen' That's not a solution - you have to look at market of brand new cars, as whateber is avaliable now will replace all the used cars.
- _jal 4y ago
  Of course it is a solution. I end up with a car that doesn't have a touch screen.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    >> That's not a solution - you have to look at market of brand new cars, as whateber is avaliable now will replace all the used cars. > Of course it is a solution. I end up with a car that doesn't have a touch screen. The point is that solution is only a band-aid. Cars wear out. New cars turn into used cars, which turn into "classic cars", which then turn into museum pieces. Especially with the later two steps, supply drops and maintenance becomes harder.
    - _jal 4y ago
      And my point is, humans wear out. They stop driving cars and eventually die. There is a reasonable chance I won't buy another vehicle, so I don't care what the rest of the market does.
      - tablespoon 4y ago
        > There is a reasonable chance I won't buy another vehicle, so I don't care what the rest of the market does. Good for you, but why do you feel you need to weigh in on the new car market when you have no intention of ever participating?
        _jal 4y ago
        Why do you feel the need to play conversation-cop?
        tablespoon 4y ago
        > Why do you feel the need to play conversation-cop? Because we're discussing a complaint about modern cars, and "always buy used ones that predate the change, and plan to die before those become unavailable" doesn't really address the complaint. It's a rather idiosyncratic and radical way of avoiding it, and bends the conversation to discussing that personal idiosyncrasy.
        _jal 4y ago
        I suppose you now know better than to waste your time talking to me in the future, then.
nkrisc 4y ago
> As far as I'm concerned, keep your butt warmers and solenoid-driven seat adjustment My car has these things, controlled by physical buttons and knobs. They're nice features and they don't require a touchscreen to use.

by _jal 4y ago

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

' I'm buying used and IC, because I will not have a touch screen' That's not a solution - you have to look at market of brand new cars, as whateber is avaliable now will replace all the used cars.

_jal 4y ago
Of course it is a solution. I end up with a car that doesn't have a touch screen.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  >> That's not a solution - you have to look at market of brand new cars, as whateber is avaliable now will replace all the used cars. > Of course it is a solution. I end up with a car that doesn't have a touch screen. The point is that solution is only a band-aid. Cars wear out. New cars turn into used cars, which turn into "classic cars", which then turn into museum pieces. Especially with the later two steps, supply drops and maintenance becomes harder.
  - _jal 4y ago
    And my point is, humans wear out. They stop driving cars and eventually die. There is a reasonable chance I won't buy another vehicle, so I don't care what the rest of the market does.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > There is a reasonable chance I won't buy another vehicle, so I don't care what the rest of the market does. Good for you, but why do you feel you need to weigh in on the new car market when you have no intention of ever participating?
      - _jal 4y ago
        Why do you feel the need to play conversation-cop?
        tablespoon 4y ago
        > Why do you feel the need to play conversation-cop? Because we're discussing a complaint about modern cars, and "always buy used ones that predate the change, and plan to die before those become unavailable" doesn't really address the complaint. It's a rather idiosyncratic and radical way of avoiding it, and bends the conversation to discussing that personal idiosyncrasy.
        _jal 4y ago
        I suppose you now know better than to waste your time talking to me in the future, then.

nkrisc 4y ago

> As far as I'm concerned, keep your butt warmers and solenoid-driven seat adjustment My car has these things, controlled by physical buttons and knobs. They're nice features and they don't require a touchscreen to use.