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Privacy != Anonymity. I can see why they do what they do, it probably prevents a lot of spam accounts and abusive use type accounts from being created. But pri
by selykg 4y ago
Privacy != Anonymity.
I can see why they do what they do, it probably prevents a lot of spam accounts and abusive use type accounts from being created. But privacy doesn't mean anonymous. If you want anonymous I don't think Proton is for you.
- xur17 4y agoI guess I don't know what sort of abuse they experience, but for spam I'd think $10 / month would be more than sufficient.
- selykg 4y agoWhat if that $10/mo is going to result in a charge back from the stolen credit card? That, on top of spam and whatever other abuse is going on with that account.
- xur17 4y agoOK, then only accept crypto for anonymous accounts.
- flotzam 4y agoAnd it would be easy for Proton, because they already accept cryptocurrency for subsequent payments after account creation, but not for the first payment during account creation (catch 22) In the end it's their choice to continue collecting personal data, even after Swiss authorities compelled them to disclose personal data to French authorities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProtonMail#Compliance_with_Swiss_court_orders_and_IP_Logging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProtonMail#Compliance_with_Swi...
- selykg 4y agoHonestly, cryptocurrencies (I hate that these have hijacked "crypto" for their silly garbage, to me crypto will always be cryptography. Old man yells at cloud I guess..) just invite abuse. As a service provider I'd never offer cryptocurrency as payment if that service could be abused in one way or another. Just my experience, to each their own.
- Fnoord 4y agoI don't like it either (to put it mildly) but Mullvad allows cash to be send to them, no questions asked. You can even pay for various months that way.
- flotzam 4y agoProton also supports cash for renewals/upgrades, but they went out of their way to remove the cryptocurrency option and the cash option during signup...
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- flotzam 4y agoRobust privacy (you choose what to disclose to whom) often presents as anonymity to third parties And Proton is marketing themselves as anonymity friendly: https://proton.me/news/climate-activist-arrest https://proton.me/news/climate-activist-arrest
- dcow 4y agoExactly. The reason I pay for proton mail is not so that proton mail doesn’t know I’m a customer. It’s because proton mail doesn't read my emails. Gmail/Google does. That’s what privacy is important to me as an email user. Sometimes it feels like people scream security === anonymity === privacy and really don’t understand what they’re even yelling about.
- jerryzh 4y agoYet if use android Proton is stick to google push service till today, even when IMAP itself actually has push function since IMAP4.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoAnonymity can be a big part of privacy, which is fairly obvious and for some people it's inside that privacy circle as a necessary component.