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This guys are clueless; wasting billions investing in Crypto hoping that they will hit killer app but not realising Bitcoin itself is the killer app. Also they

This guys are clueless; wasting billions investing in Crypto hoping that they will hit killer app but not realising Bitcoin itself is the killer app. Also they invested over $100M in Clubhouse just because it became popular at the time(Pandemic and lockdowns) not because they think Clubhouse will have any reasonable long term value because it won't.

dqpb 4y ago
Bitcoins proof-of-waste system is a dealbreaker for me.
- mrkramer 4y ago
  There is also a lot of waste when mining gold and other metals[1] but nobody cares because gold and other metals have value in conducting electricity and heat and they are used in number of industries and in electronics. Bitcoin is digital commodity which conducts information and is used in order to enable decentralized communication. Bitcoin's uptime[2] is 99.99%, now compare that to centralized software applications and you will be in a better understanding on why Bitcoin is valuable. [1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/05/new-study-estimates-how-long-mined-metals-circulate-before-being-lost/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/05/new-study-estimates-... [2] https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/bitcoin-uptime/ https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/bitcoin-uptime/
  - dqpb 4y ago
    Take a look at Turing Award winner Silvio Micali's talk on the Algorand proof-of-stake protocol, and you will have a better understanding of why Bitcoin is needlessly wasteful: https://youtu.be/NykZ-ZSKkxM https://youtu.be/NykZ-ZSKkxM
    - mrkramer 4y ago
      So Satoshi didn't know what he, she or they were doing? Ethereum has proof of stake algorithm and we shall see how will it work in the long term. Btw some people said me here on HN that PoS is the evolution of crypto coins but I think the original design and protocol of Bitcoin is still superior if done right. Just like TCP is still viable to this day although it is almost 50 years old.
      - dqpb 4y ago
        Bitcoin launched the industry. But I think Algorand is a better technology. The historicity of Satoshi/Bitcoin is not something I care about when evaluating the actual technical details.
klyrs 4y ago
They aren't clueless, they're raking in profits by exploiting the clueless.
sexangel 4y ago
Bitcoin would be absolutely nothing without its first mover advantage. nothing. its boomer tech. get with the times

dqpb 4y ago

Bitcoins proof-of-waste system is a dealbreaker for me.

mrkramer 4y ago
There is also a lot of waste when mining gold and other metals[1] but nobody cares because gold and other metals have value in conducting electricity and heat and they are used in number of industries and in electronics. Bitcoin is digital commodity which conducts information and is used in order to enable decentralized communication. Bitcoin's uptime[2] is 99.99%, now compare that to centralized software applications and you will be in a better understanding on why Bitcoin is valuable. [1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/05/new-study-estimates-how-long-mined-metals-circulate-before-being-lost/ https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/05/new-study-estimates-... [2] https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/bitcoin-uptime/ https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/bitcoin-uptime/
- dqpb 4y ago
  Take a look at Turing Award winner Silvio Micali's talk on the Algorand proof-of-stake protocol, and you will have a better understanding of why Bitcoin is needlessly wasteful: https://youtu.be/NykZ-ZSKkxM https://youtu.be/NykZ-ZSKkxM
  - mrkramer 4y ago
    So Satoshi didn't know what he, she or they were doing? Ethereum has proof of stake algorithm and we shall see how will it work in the long term. Btw some people said me here on HN that PoS is the evolution of crypto coins but I think the original design and protocol of Bitcoin is still superior if done right. Just like TCP is still viable to this day although it is almost 50 years old.
    - dqpb 4y ago
      Bitcoin launched the industry. But I think Algorand is a better technology. The historicity of Satoshi/Bitcoin is not something I care about when evaluating the actual technical details.

klyrs 4y ago

They aren't clueless, they're raking in profits by exploiting the clueless.

sexangel 4y ago

Bitcoin would be absolutely nothing without its first mover advantage. nothing. its boomer tech. get with the times