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Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28427259 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28427259)

• rank0 4y ago
  They must comply with the legally binding Swiss order. The alternative is shutting down the business. Also note they BEGAN logging the subpoenaed IP AFTER receiving the warrant and notifying the user. They did not have IP logs ready to go. I don’t think anyone actually reads into nuance anymore. The privacy advocates are their own worst enemy. If this bar is too low for you, there’s basically only self hosted GNU software left…
  • kulikalov 4y ago
    Sounds reasonable. > The privacy advocates are their own worst enemy Probably, but Privacy is Proton's motto. I'm just pointing at the controversy.
    • shapefrog 4y ago
• mikece 4y ago
  ProtonMail respects your privacy, but they also respect warrants issued by the Swiss authorities. If you use ProtonVPN (or no VPN) to access ProtonMail then your real IP is recorded and can be turned over. If hiding your real IP address is important than use a different non-logging VPN provider (personally I use Mullvad to access ProtonMail and everything else).
  • RealStickman_ 4y ago
    Using ProtonVPN would have actually been fine. A VPN provider isn't required to hand over real IP adresses of customers in Switzerland.
• jacooper 4y ago
  Yes. They can't refuse this as it was required by law, and protonVPN is protected from IP logging requirements. https://proton.me/news/climate-activist-arrest https://proton.me/news/climate-activist-arrest The have also updated their privacy policy. > 2.7 IP logging: By default, we do not keep permanent IP logs in relation with your Account. However, IP logs may be kept temporarily to combat abuse and fraud, and your IP address may be retained permanently if you are engaged in activities that breach our terms and conditions (e.g. spamming, DDoS attacks against our infrastructure, brute force attacks). The legal basis of this processing is our legitimate interest to protect our service against nefarious activities. > > If you enable authentication logging for your Account, the record of your login IP addresses is kept for as long as the feature is enabled. This feature is off by default, and all the records are deleted upon deactivation of the feature. The legal basis of this processing is consent, and you are free to opt in or opt out of that processing at any time in the security panel of your Account. https://proton.me/legal/privacy https://proton.me/legal/privacy
  • sha256sum 4y ago
    I removed my premium subscription after this incident and was surprised to find that all benefits for the subscription were immediately revoked. Mail was rendered undeliverable until space was clear back to 500MB. Mind you there was still time in my subscription. So fuck ProtonMail regardless. Others will recommend Tutanota, Fastmail… I use mailbox.org for business, all much better recommendations.
    • jacooper 4y ago
      its written clearly under the cancle button that this would happen. they would give you credits for the time left in the subscription.
      • sha256sum 4y ago
        Wrong, it is currently… And so what? For someone to play like that it’s fair to give a refund for the unused period. Otherwise, like I said, fuck ProtonMail.