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I agree. The beef I would add with those games is that they feel like theme parks. There's no real frontier. Elite Dangerous came close, it was a thrill to be t

I agree. The beef I would add with those games is that they feel like theme parks. There's no real frontier. Elite Dangerous came close, it was a thrill to be the first one in a system. Genuinely don't know how you'd solve that, though. One obstacle you have to overcome is that there has to be an investment that is risked by the players. There's not much of a cost to gank someone usually, or it's simply not allowed at all except in a controlled way. One thing that forces people into social cooperation is to protect against the potential for loss. As I understand it, confrontations with other players in EVE Online are dangerous because of that investment of time and/or money. That's part of what makes roguelikes and battle royales so compelling. That said, you have to balance it against being appealing enough to more casual players--how do you encourage investment without making it a boring grind or too expensive?

hooby 4y ago
There are other ways next to protection against loss. SWG for example had all items being player-made in addition to slowly loosing durability and breaking eventually. That means, instead of finding loot you can then use indefinitely, you were dependent on economy supply chains. SWG also made you dependent on player services - like doctors, entertainers and such. I think there could easily be many casual friendly playstyles, like farming, harvesting, herding, entertaining, being mayor in a player city, etc. - in addition to more combat oriented play. Players should be able to choose one style or the other, or mix and match to their liking. And every such playstyle should both need and provide "stuff" from/to other playstyles on a regular basis.
munk-a 4y ago
Elite Dangerous is one of the most fulfilling grungy space sims I've ever played. I'm not much of one for the dog fighting side of things, but I do keep coming back to Elite to just do cargo runs or swap over to an Adder and push myself into the dark - scooping fuel off suns and try to avoid space hazards while just ogling the beautiful scenery. It is a very strange "game" though, so I understand why it's not for everyone.

hooby 4y ago

There are other ways next to protection against loss. SWG for example had all items being player-made in addition to slowly loosing durability and breaking eventually. That means, instead of finding loot you can then use indefinitely, you were dependent on economy supply chains. SWG also made you dependent on player services - like doctors, entertainers and such. I think there could easily be many casual friendly playstyles, like farming, harvesting, herding, entertaining, being mayor in a player city, etc. - in addition to more combat oriented play. Players should be able to choose one style or the other, or mix and match to their liking. And every such playstyle should both need and provide "stuff" from/to other playstyles on a regular basis.

munk-a 4y ago

Elite Dangerous is one of the most fulfilling grungy space sims I've ever played. I'm not much of one for the dog fighting side of things, but I do keep coming back to Elite to just do cargo runs or swap over to an Adder and push myself into the dark - scooping fuel off suns and try to avoid space hazards while just ogling the beautiful scenery. It is a very strange "game" though, so I understand why it's not for everyone.