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There seems to be a fairly strong Elon cult and Elon anticult. Both camps seem to be blind to their bias and get overtly emotional about this topic. Whoever ha

There seems to be a fairly strong Elon cult and Elon anticult. Both camps seem to be blind to their bias and get overtly emotional about this topic. Whoever has the top spot in 2025 or whenever remains to be seen. Pointless to speculate much. Right now Tesla has a strong EV industry lead, a very strong financial position and an unprecedented growth rate. I think in 2025 whoever has secured the materials and/or contracts for batteries will win. There won't be enough for everyone in 2025. In 2030 +- few years this will change, that's probably when we'll see the real competition occur.

libertine 4y ago
When I've read your first sentence this popped in mind: is there a cap to Elon cult/anti cult? Like, is there a ceiling for the amount of people that will care about Elon, which is an individual, in a negative or positive way, that would limit Elon reach and the effect it will have on Tesla. I'm not saying Tesla doesn't have it's own merit, of course it does, but Elon personality cult helped a lot marketing it, and popularizing Tesla stock. I'd even say that Elon is way more popular than Tesla as a brand. But I wonder when they'll reach this cap... and Elon alone won't be enough, and you'll just see the big brands like VW, that have caught up in terms of tech, doing their own thing and taking larger and larger chunks of the EV market. Because what Elon seems to forget is that a personal brand only goes so far. Like, Steve Jobs eventually learned this at Apple (not saying he promoted a personal cult, I don't think he did), and they started to build and invest in Apple as a brand.
- ryandvm 4y ago
  > I'm not saying Tesla doesn't have it's own merit, of course it does, but Elon personality cult helped a lot marketing it, and popularizing Tesla stock. Elon seems to have fully embraced the Trump technique of being a bombastic personality who has completely disabled their internal filter. The result being that your popularity becomes almost binary between very strong supporters and detractors. There is nobody that "can't decide" what they think of these guys. Sadly, I think the fawning groupies that this technique produces has an almost intoxicating effect on the practitioners.
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    > Elon seems to have fully embraced the Trump technique of being a bombastic personality who has completely disabled their internal filter The thing about the business community is that it has always ran away from individuals expressing the behavior of Musk and Trump because there are so many other avenues for rich people to unleash the "USvTHEM" part of their brains. Football, Soccer, Hockey, Formula1, Nascar, Indycar, America's Cup, Basketball, Golf...not to mention Political races at the County, State and Fedral level. Even the Mafia suspends territorial wars for business deals. And I mean the real mafia not the Paypal mafia. But maybe for people who easily fall prey of ideologies all those avenues aren't enough and strongly need some USvTHEM in the stock market as well. So they feed off a bunch of rivalries: Elon vs. short sellers Elon vs. SEC Elon vs. Big Oil Elon vs. OEM WSB vs. Citadel WSB vs. Melvin Capital WSB vs. Bridgewater Associates WSB vs Davos
- vardump 4y ago
  > When I've read your first sentence this popped in mind: is there a cap to Elon cult/anti cult? I think 99% of people don't care either way. It's just that vocal 1% that does.
watwut 4y ago
Volkswagen chief making optimistic prediction about own success has zero to do with "Elon anti-cult". We do not need to both sides everything and especially not things that dont even have two sides - like marketing claims or companies bragging.
- vardump 4y ago
  This one definitely had two sides: Volkswagen CEO claiming to overtake Tesla in 3 years. My point about (anti) cults was how it seems to affect the discussion. A fact based debate would be preferable to emotional quarrel.
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    There is only a cult , not an anti-cult. These are the sort of memes that cult members make to attract the attention of the cult leader, who rewarded them with a like: https://twitter.com/coffeetabletsla/status/1529175026112552960/photo/1 https://twitter.com/coffeetabletsla/status/15291750261125529...

libertine 4y ago

When I've read your first sentence this popped in mind: is there a cap to Elon cult/anti cult? Like, is there a ceiling for the amount of people that will care about Elon, which is an individual, in a negative or positive way, that would limit Elon reach and the effect it will have on Tesla. I'm not saying Tesla doesn't have it's own merit, of course it does, but Elon personality cult helped a lot marketing it, and popularizing Tesla stock. I'd even say that Elon is way more popular than Tesla as a brand. But I wonder when they'll reach this cap... and Elon alone won't be enough, and you'll just see the big brands like VW, that have caught up in terms of tech, doing their own thing and taking larger and larger chunks of the EV market. Because what Elon seems to forget is that a personal brand only goes so far. Like, Steve Jobs eventually learned this at Apple (not saying he promoted a personal cult, I don't think he did), and they started to build and invest in Apple as a brand.

ryandvm 4y ago
> I'm not saying Tesla doesn't have it's own merit, of course it does, but Elon personality cult helped a lot marketing it, and popularizing Tesla stock. Elon seems to have fully embraced the Trump technique of being a bombastic personality who has completely disabled their internal filter. The result being that your popularity becomes almost binary between very strong supporters and detractors. There is nobody that "can't decide" what they think of these guys. Sadly, I think the fawning groupies that this technique produces has an almost intoxicating effect on the practitioners.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  > Elon seems to have fully embraced the Trump technique of being a bombastic personality who has completely disabled their internal filter The thing about the business community is that it has always ran away from individuals expressing the behavior of Musk and Trump because there are so many other avenues for rich people to unleash the "USvTHEM" part of their brains. Football, Soccer, Hockey, Formula1, Nascar, Indycar, America's Cup, Basketball, Golf...not to mention Political races at the County, State and Fedral level. Even the Mafia suspends territorial wars for business deals. And I mean the real mafia not the Paypal mafia. But maybe for people who easily fall prey of ideologies all those avenues aren't enough and strongly need some USvTHEM in the stock market as well. So they feed off a bunch of rivalries: Elon vs. short sellers Elon vs. SEC Elon vs. Big Oil Elon vs. OEM WSB vs. Citadel WSB vs. Melvin Capital WSB vs. Bridgewater Associates WSB vs Davos
vardump 4y ago
> When I've read your first sentence this popped in mind: is there a cap to Elon cult/anti cult? I think 99% of people don't care either way. It's just that vocal 1% that does.

watwut 4y ago

Volkswagen chief making optimistic prediction about own success has zero to do with "Elon anti-cult". We do not need to both sides everything and especially not things that dont even have two sides - like marketing claims or companies bragging.

vardump 4y ago
This one definitely had two sides: Volkswagen CEO claiming to overtake Tesla in 3 years. My point about (anti) cults was how it seems to affect the discussion. A fact based debate would be preferable to emotional quarrel.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  There is only a cult , not an anti-cult. These are the sort of memes that cult members make to attract the attention of the cult leader, who rewarded them with a like: https://twitter.com/coffeetabletsla/status/1529175026112552960/photo/1 https://twitter.com/coffeetabletsla/status/15291750261125529...