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Yeah that's not why I trust Elon less than VW but go on. Tell me why I, me, have this opinion. Since you know me.

panick21_ 4y ago
Ok, so what did he do that is worse then a global conspiracy to subvert environment regulations that did huge amounts of harm to millions of people, specially children in cities? My guess is you don't like their handling of developing FSD. That seems to be the most often mentioned on here.
- danuker 4y ago
  > FSD To be fair, even the name is misleading. It's not fully-self-driving.
- rank0 4y ago
  How about his blatant securities fraud(s), horrendous Vegas loop, constant lies, blocking unionizations, paid beta test “FSD”, pumping dogecoin, teslas removal from ESG…I could go on forever.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    > blatant securities fraud(s) Yeah, a dispute with the SEC about the meaning of a twit is much more important for the world then the millions of children breathing unhealthy air. Really details of security law that basically hurt nobody except some short term traders as most really is the most important thing in the world. > horrendous Vegas loop Seems like that is for the costumer to decide and they were happy and even want to extend the system. But I guess twitters opinion > pumping dogecoin Talking about something you like is not illegal. In fact by just mentioning dogecoin you made it more famous and pumped it. Unless you can prove pump-and-dump scheme its totally irrelevant. > teslas removal from ESG You mean the index where oil companies are ESG compliant and Tesla isn't. Yeah that really is far more important then lying millions of cars gas output. Like, why would you even care about that?
    - rank0 4y ago
      > Yeah, a dispute with the SEC about the meaning of a twit is much more important for the world then the millions of children breathing unhealthy air. Really details of security law that basically hurt nobody except some short term traders… Wow. Is this the kind of society you want? One where the richest man in the world can profit from securities fraud? If us peons can’t commit fraud, neither should Elon. Shit, by your logic we should all be out committing financial crimes right now! FYI it wasn’t a dispute he settled for 20MM, but he’s rich enough to not care. Don’t forget about about solar city, where musk knowingly purchased a distressed company owned by his cousin without disclosing the info to shareholders. Add nepotism to my list please. Also note his ongoing twitter acquisition. He’s clearly manipulating the stock price to get a better deal AFTER agreeing to the purchase and waiving due diligence. He’s being sued. On the Vegas loop, he delivered nothing close to what was promised. The carbon/man hours expended building that horribly inefficient Tesla advertisement could’ve been used to created a reasonable transit system. On dogecoin…lol. You can’t be serious. He’s promoting an obvious joke as a serious financial asset to uneducated, poor “investors”. Dogecoin is down 90%. Thanks for ignoring the FSD beta testing and union stuff. He’s been accused of sexual misconduct, called that Thai dude a pedo, and became ultra rich off countless empty promises. We were supposed to have FSD, a mars colony, neuralink and a hyper loop by now. He’s sold bullshit all the way to the top and STILL receives subsidies from the government…then turns around and sells them to the polluting auto companies he claims to replace.
- speed_spread 4y ago
  VW subverted US fuel regulations which are notoriously tweaked _against_ diesel. The NOx emission control would relax at _highway speeds_, not in the city. This was an engineer's response to a protectionist legal framework. Keep in mind that diesel engines are notably more power efficient than gasoline ones, ho knows how much less CO2 would have been emitted had diesel been allowed to become more mainstream in the US?

Ok, so what did he do that is worse then a global conspiracy to subvert environment regulations that did huge amounts of harm to millions of people, specially children in cities? My guess is you don't like their handling of developing FSD. That seems to be the most often mentioned on here.

danuker 4y ago
> FSD To be fair, even the name is misleading. It's not fully-self-driving.
rank0 4y ago
How about his blatant securities fraud(s), horrendous Vegas loop, constant lies, blocking unionizations, paid beta test “FSD”, pumping dogecoin, teslas removal from ESG…I could go on forever.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  > blatant securities fraud(s) Yeah, a dispute with the SEC about the meaning of a twit is much more important for the world then the millions of children breathing unhealthy air. Really details of security law that basically hurt nobody except some short term traders as most really is the most important thing in the world. > horrendous Vegas loop Seems like that is for the costumer to decide and they were happy and even want to extend the system. But I guess twitters opinion > pumping dogecoin Talking about something you like is not illegal. In fact by just mentioning dogecoin you made it more famous and pumped it. Unless you can prove pump-and-dump scheme its totally irrelevant. > teslas removal from ESG You mean the index where oil companies are ESG compliant and Tesla isn't. Yeah that really is far more important then lying millions of cars gas output. Like, why would you even care about that?
  - rank0 4y ago
    > Yeah, a dispute with the SEC about the meaning of a twit is much more important for the world then the millions of children breathing unhealthy air. Really details of security law that basically hurt nobody except some short term traders… Wow. Is this the kind of society you want? One where the richest man in the world can profit from securities fraud? If us peons can’t commit fraud, neither should Elon. Shit, by your logic we should all be out committing financial crimes right now! FYI it wasn’t a dispute he settled for 20MM, but he’s rich enough to not care. Don’t forget about about solar city, where musk knowingly purchased a distressed company owned by his cousin without disclosing the info to shareholders. Add nepotism to my list please. Also note his ongoing twitter acquisition. He’s clearly manipulating the stock price to get a better deal AFTER agreeing to the purchase and waiving due diligence. He’s being sued. On the Vegas loop, he delivered nothing close to what was promised. The carbon/man hours expended building that horribly inefficient Tesla advertisement could’ve been used to created a reasonable transit system. On dogecoin…lol. You can’t be serious. He’s promoting an obvious joke as a serious financial asset to uneducated, poor “investors”. Dogecoin is down 90%. Thanks for ignoring the FSD beta testing and union stuff. He’s been accused of sexual misconduct, called that Thai dude a pedo, and became ultra rich off countless empty promises. We were supposed to have FSD, a mars colony, neuralink and a hyper loop by now. He’s sold bullshit all the way to the top and STILL receives subsidies from the government…then turns around and sells them to the polluting auto companies he claims to replace.
speed_spread 4y ago
VW subverted US fuel regulations which are notoriously tweaked _against_ diesel. The NOx emission control would relax at _highway speeds_, not in the city. This was an engineer's response to a protectionist legal framework. Keep in mind that diesel engines are notably more power efficient than gasoline ones, ho knows how much less CO2 would have been emitted had diesel been allowed to become more mainstream in the US?