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Since liberals and progressives always suggest alternative voting schemes, clearly California or SF should beta test them. In Sf we’ve had a bunch of recalls si

Since liberals and progressives always suggest alternative voting schemes, clearly California or SF should beta test them. In Sf we’ve had a bunch of recalls since tank choice voting was adopted. Be interesting what your criteria for success would be. I tend to think america suffers from too much democracy and any restriction on voting is considered outright racism. This seems odd to me.

zaik 4y ago
> any restriction on voting What kind of restriction do you propose?
- alexnewman 4y ago
  Requiring some form of public service. For instance serving in the fire department. Laws could be passed protecting individuals rights to serve. Special gov’t subsidies could be created so that low income individuals could have real financial benefit for this service. It could be win/win
- sokoloff 4y ago
  For federal elections, being an adult citizen and casting a single vote to be counted in the precinct containing your permanent residence. For state, county, and local elections, being an adult permanent, lawful resident in that place and casting a single vote to be counted in the precinct containing your permanent residence. I personally support giving released felons the right to vote (and would include currently incarcerated felons whose sentence will expire during the term covered by the election), but believe this is a matter for each state to decide (consistent with Article I and II).
  - alexnewman 4y ago
    same, i think we could even pay these felons to serve as firefighters, or other social services so they could learn valuable skills in exchange for the returning of this right
  - Jcowell 4y ago
    How is this different from what we have now ?
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      It's not that different; it represents an enumeration of what I think are/propose to be the proper restrictions on voting. Some people believe that non-citizen permanent residents should be able to vote in federal elections. Others believe that undocumented permanent residents should be able to vote in state/local elections. Others believe that incarcerated felons should be able to vote. Likely others believe that minors should be able to vote. We should have these discussions, agree on what restrictions we want to impose, and implement them. If you decide to prevent anyone from voting, that's definitionally a restriction on voting.
      - Izkata 4y ago
        Just to be clear since you skipped this subset: It's already the case that non-citizen permanent residents can vote in some local (not federal) elections. https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_...
        sokoloff 4y ago
        That’s exactly what I intended to cover in my second paragraph (by making the restriction criterion “adult permanent, lawful resident” rather than “adult citizen”)
jibalt 4y ago
Restricting POC from voting is indeed racism and the U.S. has a long history of it.

zaik 4y ago

> any restriction on voting What kind of restriction do you propose?

alexnewman 4y ago
Requiring some form of public service. For instance serving in the fire department. Laws could be passed protecting individuals rights to serve. Special gov’t subsidies could be created so that low income individuals could have real financial benefit for this service. It could be win/win
sokoloff 4y ago
For federal elections, being an adult citizen and casting a single vote to be counted in the precinct containing your permanent residence. For state, county, and local elections, being an adult permanent, lawful resident in that place and casting a single vote to be counted in the precinct containing your permanent residence. I personally support giving released felons the right to vote (and would include currently incarcerated felons whose sentence will expire during the term covered by the election), but believe this is a matter for each state to decide (consistent with Article I and II).
- alexnewman 4y ago
  same, i think we could even pay these felons to serve as firefighters, or other social services so they could learn valuable skills in exchange for the returning of this right
- Jcowell 4y ago
  How is this different from what we have now ?
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    It's not that different; it represents an enumeration of what I think are/propose to be the proper restrictions on voting. Some people believe that non-citizen permanent residents should be able to vote in federal elections. Others believe that undocumented permanent residents should be able to vote in state/local elections. Others believe that incarcerated felons should be able to vote. Likely others believe that minors should be able to vote. We should have these discussions, agree on what restrictions we want to impose, and implement them. If you decide to prevent anyone from voting, that's definitionally a restriction on voting.
    - Izkata 4y ago
      Just to be clear since you skipped this subset: It's already the case that non-citizen permanent residents can vote in some local (not federal) elections. https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_...
      - sokoloff 4y ago
        That’s exactly what I intended to cover in my second paragraph (by making the restriction criterion “adult permanent, lawful resident” rather than “adult citizen”)

jibalt 4y ago

Restricting POC from voting is indeed racism and the U.S. has a long history of it.