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The touch screens are the only thing keeping me on dino juice cars. I want to go electric, but they all have these awful touchscreens! I don’t want to navigate

by nkrisc 4y ago

The touch screens are the only thing keeping me on dino juice cars. I want to go electric, but they all have these awful touchscreens! I don’t want to navigate a menu to change the temperature or turn on a seat warmer. I’m just not buying an EV until there’s one that doesn’t rely on a giant touch screen for everything or I can’t buy an ICE vehicle anymore.

spaniard89277 4y ago
Some korean brand was moving to physical buttons again, but I can't find which.
- sosull 4y ago
  I think Honda have returned to at least partial physical controls for heating, air, and music for the Honda e. But it still has a lot of screen.
  - thfuran 4y ago
    Backup cameras are legally mandated on new us vehicles. The screens are not going anywhere so they're going to get used for other stuff too.
    - nkrisc 4y ago
      I don’t mind a small screen that isn’t involved in common cabin features. I have a 2018 Mazda3 and I like the backup camera. But I can control the climate control and temperature with physical buttons. The seat warmers have buttons. I can control the volume with a knob or on the steering wheel. The radio, unfortunately, is software. Seems like that much is unavoidable. But the small screen that is there is secondary to everything else I want to control while driving and I don’t ever need to use while driving. I’m typically using Apple CarPlay (or previously Android Auto) so if I do need to do something, I can use voice controls and at least keep my eyes on the road. I don’t mind small screens, as you said, they’re not going away. What I don’t want is a giant screen that controls everything.
    - ThunderSizzle 4y ago
      My backup camera screen is embedded in my reear view mirror. You wouldn't know when it's not on. Sure, it's small, but sufficient, considering it's not a replacement for mirrors and area awareness.
- zwirbl 4y ago
  I guess it was Mazda, so Japanese instead of Korean https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-purging-touchscreens-from-its-vehicles https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur... Though I don't know if they followed through
  - neogodless 4y ago
    https://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/mazda/2022-mazda-cx-5-review-for-those-who-think-young https://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/mazda/2022-mazda-cx-5... > Like most modern Mazdas, the CX-5 uses an ultra-wide, non-touchscreen infotainment system. Buttons and knobs for HVAC https://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022-Mazda-CX-5-Comparison-15-1179x786.jpg https://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/20...
  - frxx 4y ago
    As far as I know they're sticking to it.
  - meristem 4y ago
    Between 2019 and 2022 Mazda improved the truly atrocious latency linked to screen operations. All operations are physical, but you still need menus to find what you want. The latency was quite impressive. The 2022 has less latency and seemingly different menu trees to go with the ultrawide ( but narrow height) screen. HVAC is screen-independent. So is volume, thankfully.
    - fomine3 4y ago
      Except MX-30. They use touchscreen for AC for unknown reason. Maybe because the car is designed to be weird on their lineup?
- kube-system 4y ago
  Hyundai/Kia have had some horrible interfaces lately. https://youtu.be/EREg2XtohTg?t=7m https://youtu.be/EREg2XtohTg?t=7m
  - tomtheelder 4y ago
    My 2022 Kona EV has an amazing, mostly physical button based interface fwiw.
baobob 4y ago
Luckily the tide seems to be turning: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-cars.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-car...
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Luckily the tide seems to be turning: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-cars.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-car... We can hope, but there's reason to be pessimistic: > With traffic fatalities spiking over the past few years and with no real plan for how to make screens less distracting, we seem to have entered into the type of brutal acquiescence that’s common in the tech era; car manufacturers will keep putting bigger and more complicated screens in cars without much thought to safety or even functionality, and we, the consumers, will continue to buy them. > ... > The incentives of carmakers are pretty clear: Touch screens are cheaper than designing and installing a mechanical panel. And given that most cars today are reliable, come with lengthy warranties and an array of mostly uniform features, a big screen becomes a way for a car brand to distinguish itself from its competitors, especially on the showroom floor before potential buyers have a chance to really immerse themselves in just how annoying the screen will be. One of the weaknesses of the market is that it doesn't necessarily give consumers what would work best for them, it just lets them pick from what they're given. Barring regulatory action, I don't see device-makers moving away touchscreen maximization.
  - _jal 4y ago
    > we, the consumers, will continue to buy them. Who's this "we"? I'm in the pre-buy stage, it looks like my record of non-car-ownership will end at 23 years. (My last car was stolen from a SOMA lot in 1999.) It does look like I'm buying used and IC, because I will not have a touch screen. I've driven basically every model of car you can rent, and some of them are less offensive than others, but they're all ass. Backup assist is vaguely nice, but I learned to parallel park before they existed, so I don't really care. And everything else about them is actively worse. The UI is such a weird thing to cheap out on. As far as I'm concerned, keep your butt warmers and solenoid-driven seat adjustment, I want physical knobs I don't have to look at to use.
rob74 4y ago
I think that's true only as long as the only electric cars you have driven are Teslas. The BMW i3 has pretty much resisted this tendency. Ok, it's already a pretty old design at this point and getting phased out, but it has lots of physical buttons (even for the seat warmer!). And I don't think electric cars that are variants of existing petrol cars (which are more and more common) will eliminate the physical controls just because they put an electric engine into the car. Or, otherwise said: if you buy an electric car from a tech company (or somebody trying too hard to emulate them), you get a touchscreen. If you buy an electric car from a car company, you get physical controls...
- tomxor 4y ago
  Made me check that one out, it's actually not an insane price, it competes with most new normal-person petrol cars... I mean I still wouldn't buy one new, and that's still a bit of a dodgy range, but maybe in ten years there will finally be an affordable 2nd hand market and some infra to make it reliable. In the mean time I will continue to run my petrol car into the ground like a good holistic environmentalist.
  - ThunderSizzle 4y ago
    Would anyone trust a 2nd hand market for an EV when the battery is basically guaranteed to be dead long before more affordable ICE vehicles?
    - speedgoose 4y ago
      The old EVs used market is dynamic in Norway.
    - tomxor 4y ago
      It's a good point, a 2nd hand market assumes the availability of a cost effective battery replacement or serious maintenance scheme... it's not exactly on the same scale as a cam belt change which is the common todo upon acquiring a 2nd hand petrol car. Also worth acknowledging that the battery makes up a huge chunk of the car both physically and in terms of cost, and yet is a consumable, so I guess this lowers the resale value of EVs significantly? I wonder if it's even worth any of the remaining savings on the rest of the car after fitting a new battery. Maybe the next stage is scaling up lithium-ion recycling to drive down battery replacement and general battery cost to a point that "everyone else" can join in the EV game. It would be a big step backwards for society if a new wealth gap is created when oil becomes too expensive to continue running cheap ICE cars and only moderately wealthy people can afford cars priced exclusively at "new" values without a 2nd hand market.
akeck 4y ago
I believe Mazda has a policy of no touchscreens in their vehicles.
- malfist 4y ago
  They have touch screens, but it's minimal, pretty much only usable in the GPS view. They do have a rotary dial and push button that controls the display, so no touching it. Makes it a lot simpler when your UI designers are restricted to left/right movement and button push. Can't hide things all over the place and under deeply nested menus.
  - tanjtanjtanj 4y ago
    The 3 2021 Mazda models I test drove had no touch screens at all, I believe they included an option between the two for a couple years but have now phased out the touch screen.
  - windowsrookie 4y ago
    The new Mazdas have no touchscreen and in my opinion it's worse. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are designed to be touched. Navigating either without a touchscreen is a horrible experience and requires significantly more steps than just touching the item you want on the screen.
    - izacus 4y ago
      I found no serious issues using Android Auto with my Mazda, what kind of things are you doing during your drive that are so impossible to do with the rotary controller? The only thing I can remember might be the address entry, but that can easily be done with the keyboard on the phone itself (click "phone" icon in the on-screen Auto keyboard to handoff).
- nkrisc 4y ago
  Funny you say that, because a 2018 Mazda3 is what I currently drive. It has a screen, a small one, and every common cabin control is still a physical button. The only exception is the radio, which is software, but can be controlled with a knob. But I just leave the radio on the same station always so it's not a problem for me.
foobarian 4y ago
Nit: oil formed way before dinosaurs from simple marine organisms.
- typon 4y ago
  How come we find it underground then?
  - hnbad 4y ago
    Is this a sincere question? If so: "underground" was "above ground" (or sea floor in this case) at the time. Additional layers formed and became the new "ground". Tectonic shifts moved places up or down (or on top of eachother), canals were formed or drained, water evaporated or froze, and so on. What I think is a lot more weird is that archaeology works: i.e. you can dig in old European cities and find the remains of older cities underneath. The short answer is that stuff like dust, decaying plant matter, erosion from nearby mountains and debris from the buildings themselves can effectively create this new layer on top, but it still feels counter-intuitive because we're not used to thinking in these timeframes: https://www.straightdope.com/21341986/how-come-archaeological-ruins-are-always-underground https://www.straightdope.com/21341986/how-come-archaeologica...
  - t-3 4y ago
    Geography and sea levels have changed over the course of Earth's history. Perhaps you've heard of things like Pangaea, or found fossils while digging in the dirt as a child? Many areas now inhabited were below oceans at points in the past billions of years.
- nkrisc 4y ago
  You mean "dino juice" isn't the scientific term?
jws 4y ago
For a Tesla at least, you can use voice commands for the common functions and keep both hands on the wheel. That said, people I know have a strange resistance to using voice commands with their cars and phones.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  Two reasons to resist using voice commands 1. Do not want to talk in the loud-clear voice needed for them to work (e.g. someone else in car is on their phone, kids are sleeping). 2. Completely soured on the experience due to things like this[1] 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMS2VnDveP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMS2VnDveP8
- malfist 4y ago
  Because voice commands have insane latency, require you to memorize a certain syntax, and hope the computer processing your audio understands you. Like if I want to tell my alexa to turn the temperature up on the thermastat I have to remember this exact phrase: Alexa, tell the ecobee to turn the temperature [up, down], [ecobee name]. Anything else and alexa tells me "ecobee doesn't support that". And alexa/siri/google are all top of the line, offline processing inside a car's CPU is measurably worse, and syntax is even more esoteric. Ever try to use voice commands to tell your car to give you GPS directions to the nearest walmart? Basically impossible unless you have the street address memorized, and even then it's a 10 minute ordeal with a lot of stops and starts because the processor wasn't listening as soon as you started speaking to it so it only caught the end of an address, or it misheard a number or street name, etc. Voice control is far from being an acceptable alternative to physical dials and switches.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  Also, what if you have the windows open or the roof down? Or what if you're using your radio the way it was intended to be used?
potatochup 4y ago
My chevy bolt is a nice mix I find. It has physical buttons for: climate controls, cruise control, media volume, media channel, lane keep assist, sport mode, gear selection, park brake. There are also voice commands, which I use for selecting navigation destinations. Touchscreen for other things: android auto, apple car play (which provide maps) and more complicated user settings (such as whether you want the lights to stay on after you turn off the car for a while)
- wcfields 4y ago
  I fully agree, the 2019-2021 Bolt [1] has been my gold standard for the right combo of touch and tactile. Climate and radio preset buttons fully separate and easy to see/touch. It's a shame they went more "slick" with the 2022 refresh, still tactile, but just more flush and less accessible without a glance. [2] [1] https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/OYAqe/s1/2020-chevy-bolt-ev.jpg https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/OYAqe/s1/2020-chevy-bolt-e... [2] https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/02/2022-Chevrolet-BoltEV-017-ZoomTop.jpg https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/02/2022-...
  - jrussino 4y ago
    Wow, I'm jealous of the control panel in your first link. In contrast, my 2014 Chevy Volt-with-a-"V" has an absolutely aweful interface. It's a combination of small, laggy touchscreen and a bunch of also-laggy, haphazardly-arranged touch-sensitive buttons: https://www.automotiveaddicts.com/25445/2012-chevrolet-volt-review-test-drive#&gid=1&pid=16 https://www.automotiveaddicts.com/25445/2012-chevrolet-volt-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73W4jZpkf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73W4jZpkf0
olyjohn 4y ago
In the US, all cars will have screens now of one sort or another. Laws were passed requiring the installation of backup cameras in all cars. So, you will never see a new car that doesn't come with a screen of some sort. And if it's going to be required to have a screen, they're not going to make it a single use only for backup cameras.
- Tiktaalik 4y ago
  I don't necessarily disagree with you in general, I do think we're going to continue to see touch screens dominate, but I thought I'd point out a significant outlier to anyone who like the OP doesn't like touch screens: The Mazda 3. On the latest Mazda 3 (2019+) it does seemingly only use the screen for info and back up camera. There's a big wheel in between the seats to move about the menus. I test drove one recently and it is very nice and intuitive.

by nkrisc 4y ago

spaniard89277 4y ago

Some korean brand was moving to physical buttons again, but I can't find which.

sosull 4y ago
I think Honda have returned to at least partial physical controls for heating, air, and music for the Honda e. But it still has a lot of screen.
- thfuran 4y ago
  Backup cameras are legally mandated on new us vehicles. The screens are not going anywhere so they're going to get used for other stuff too.
  - nkrisc 4y ago
    I don’t mind a small screen that isn’t involved in common cabin features. I have a 2018 Mazda3 and I like the backup camera. But I can control the climate control and temperature with physical buttons. The seat warmers have buttons. I can control the volume with a knob or on the steering wheel. The radio, unfortunately, is software. Seems like that much is unavoidable. But the small screen that is there is secondary to everything else I want to control while driving and I don’t ever need to use while driving. I’m typically using Apple CarPlay (or previously Android Auto) so if I do need to do something, I can use voice controls and at least keep my eyes on the road. I don’t mind small screens, as you said, they’re not going away. What I don’t want is a giant screen that controls everything.
  - ThunderSizzle 4y ago
    My backup camera screen is embedded in my reear view mirror. You wouldn't know when it's not on. Sure, it's small, but sufficient, considering it's not a replacement for mirrors and area awareness.
zwirbl 4y ago
I guess it was Mazda, so Japanese instead of Korean https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-purging-touchscreens-from-its-vehicles https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur... Though I don't know if they followed through
- neogodless 4y ago
  https://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/mazda/2022-mazda-cx-5-review-for-those-who-think-young https://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/mazda/2022-mazda-cx-5... > Like most modern Mazdas, the CX-5 uses an ultra-wide, non-touchscreen infotainment system. Buttons and knobs for HVAC https://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022-Mazda-CX-5-Comparison-15-1179x786.jpg https://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/20...
- frxx 4y ago
  As far as I know they're sticking to it.
- meristem 4y ago
  Between 2019 and 2022 Mazda improved the truly atrocious latency linked to screen operations. All operations are physical, but you still need menus to find what you want. The latency was quite impressive. The 2022 has less latency and seemingly different menu trees to go with the ultrawide ( but narrow height) screen. HVAC is screen-independent. So is volume, thankfully.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Except MX-30. They use touchscreen for AC for unknown reason. Maybe because the car is designed to be weird on their lineup?
kube-system 4y ago
Hyundai/Kia have had some horrible interfaces lately. https://youtu.be/EREg2XtohTg?t=7m https://youtu.be/EREg2XtohTg?t=7m
- tomtheelder 4y ago
  My 2022 Kona EV has an amazing, mostly physical button based interface fwiw.

baobob 4y ago

Luckily the tide seems to be turning: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-cars.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-car...

tablespoon 4y ago
> Luckily the tide seems to be turning: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-cars.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/opinion/touch-screens-car... We can hope, but there's reason to be pessimistic: > With traffic fatalities spiking over the past few years and with no real plan for how to make screens less distracting, we seem to have entered into the type of brutal acquiescence that’s common in the tech era; car manufacturers will keep putting bigger and more complicated screens in cars without much thought to safety or even functionality, and we, the consumers, will continue to buy them. > ... > The incentives of carmakers are pretty clear: Touch screens are cheaper than designing and installing a mechanical panel. And given that most cars today are reliable, come with lengthy warranties and an array of mostly uniform features, a big screen becomes a way for a car brand to distinguish itself from its competitors, especially on the showroom floor before potential buyers have a chance to really immerse themselves in just how annoying the screen will be. One of the weaknesses of the market is that it doesn't necessarily give consumers what would work best for them, it just lets them pick from what they're given. Barring regulatory action, I don't see device-makers moving away touchscreen maximization.
- _jal 4y ago
  > we, the consumers, will continue to buy them. Who's this "we"? I'm in the pre-buy stage, it looks like my record of non-car-ownership will end at 23 years. (My last car was stolen from a SOMA lot in 1999.) It does look like I'm buying used and IC, because I will not have a touch screen. I've driven basically every model of car you can rent, and some of them are less offensive than others, but they're all ass. Backup assist is vaguely nice, but I learned to parallel park before they existed, so I don't really care. And everything else about them is actively worse. The UI is such a weird thing to cheap out on. As far as I'm concerned, keep your butt warmers and solenoid-driven seat adjustment, I want physical knobs I don't have to look at to use.

rob74 4y ago

I think that's true only as long as the only electric cars you have driven are Teslas. The BMW i3 has pretty much resisted this tendency. Ok, it's already a pretty old design at this point and getting phased out, but it has lots of physical buttons (even for the seat warmer!). And I don't think electric cars that are variants of existing petrol cars (which are more and more common) will eliminate the physical controls just because they put an electric engine into the car. Or, otherwise said: if you buy an electric car from a tech company (or somebody trying too hard to emulate them), you get a touchscreen. If you buy an electric car from a car company, you get physical controls...

tomxor 4y ago
Made me check that one out, it's actually not an insane price, it competes with most new normal-person petrol cars... I mean I still wouldn't buy one new, and that's still a bit of a dodgy range, but maybe in ten years there will finally be an affordable 2nd hand market and some infra to make it reliable. In the mean time I will continue to run my petrol car into the ground like a good holistic environmentalist.
- ThunderSizzle 4y ago
  Would anyone trust a 2nd hand market for an EV when the battery is basically guaranteed to be dead long before more affordable ICE vehicles?
  - speedgoose 4y ago
    The old EVs used market is dynamic in Norway.
  - tomxor 4y ago
    It's a good point, a 2nd hand market assumes the availability of a cost effective battery replacement or serious maintenance scheme... it's not exactly on the same scale as a cam belt change which is the common todo upon acquiring a 2nd hand petrol car. Also worth acknowledging that the battery makes up a huge chunk of the car both physically and in terms of cost, and yet is a consumable, so I guess this lowers the resale value of EVs significantly? I wonder if it's even worth any of the remaining savings on the rest of the car after fitting a new battery. Maybe the next stage is scaling up lithium-ion recycling to drive down battery replacement and general battery cost to a point that "everyone else" can join in the EV game. It would be a big step backwards for society if a new wealth gap is created when oil becomes too expensive to continue running cheap ICE cars and only moderately wealthy people can afford cars priced exclusively at "new" values without a 2nd hand market.

akeck 4y ago

I believe Mazda has a policy of no touchscreens in their vehicles.

malfist 4y ago
They have touch screens, but it's minimal, pretty much only usable in the GPS view. They do have a rotary dial and push button that controls the display, so no touching it. Makes it a lot simpler when your UI designers are restricted to left/right movement and button push. Can't hide things all over the place and under deeply nested menus.
- tanjtanjtanj 4y ago
  The 3 2021 Mazda models I test drove had no touch screens at all, I believe they included an option between the two for a couple years but have now phased out the touch screen.
- windowsrookie 4y ago
  The new Mazdas have no touchscreen and in my opinion it's worse. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are designed to be touched. Navigating either without a touchscreen is a horrible experience and requires significantly more steps than just touching the item you want on the screen.
  - izacus 4y ago
    I found no serious issues using Android Auto with my Mazda, what kind of things are you doing during your drive that are so impossible to do with the rotary controller? The only thing I can remember might be the address entry, but that can easily be done with the keyboard on the phone itself (click "phone" icon in the on-screen Auto keyboard to handoff).
nkrisc 4y ago
Funny you say that, because a 2018 Mazda3 is what I currently drive. It has a screen, a small one, and every common cabin control is still a physical button. The only exception is the radio, which is software, but can be controlled with a knob. But I just leave the radio on the same station always so it's not a problem for me.

foobarian 4y ago

Nit: oil formed way before dinosaurs from simple marine organisms.

typon 4y ago
How come we find it underground then?
- hnbad 4y ago
  Is this a sincere question? If so: "underground" was "above ground" (or sea floor in this case) at the time. Additional layers formed and became the new "ground". Tectonic shifts moved places up or down (or on top of eachother), canals were formed or drained, water evaporated or froze, and so on. What I think is a lot more weird is that archaeology works: i.e. you can dig in old European cities and find the remains of older cities underneath. The short answer is that stuff like dust, decaying plant matter, erosion from nearby mountains and debris from the buildings themselves can effectively create this new layer on top, but it still feels counter-intuitive because we're not used to thinking in these timeframes: https://www.straightdope.com/21341986/how-come-archaeological-ruins-are-always-underground https://www.straightdope.com/21341986/how-come-archaeologica...
- t-3 4y ago
  Geography and sea levels have changed over the course of Earth's history. Perhaps you've heard of things like Pangaea, or found fossils while digging in the dirt as a child? Many areas now inhabited were below oceans at points in the past billions of years.
nkrisc 4y ago
You mean "dino juice" isn't the scientific term?

jws 4y ago

For a Tesla at least, you can use voice commands for the common functions and keep both hands on the wheel. That said, people I know have a strange resistance to using voice commands with their cars and phones.

aidenn0 4y ago
Two reasons to resist using voice commands 1. Do not want to talk in the loud-clear voice needed for them to work (e.g. someone else in car is on their phone, kids are sleeping). 2. Completely soured on the experience due to things like this[1] 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMS2VnDveP8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMS2VnDveP8
malfist 4y ago
Because voice commands have insane latency, require you to memorize a certain syntax, and hope the computer processing your audio understands you. Like if I want to tell my alexa to turn the temperature up on the thermastat I have to remember this exact phrase: Alexa, tell the ecobee to turn the temperature [up, down], [ecobee name]. Anything else and alexa tells me "ecobee doesn't support that". And alexa/siri/google are all top of the line, offline processing inside a car's CPU is measurably worse, and syntax is even more esoteric. Ever try to use voice commands to tell your car to give you GPS directions to the nearest walmart? Basically impossible unless you have the street address memorized, and even then it's a 10 minute ordeal with a lot of stops and starts because the processor wasn't listening as soon as you started speaking to it so it only caught the end of an address, or it misheard a number or street name, etc. Voice control is far from being an acceptable alternative to physical dials and switches.
frosted-flakes 4y ago
Also, what if you have the windows open or the roof down? Or what if you're using your radio the way it was intended to be used?

potatochup 4y ago

My chevy bolt is a nice mix I find. It has physical buttons for: climate controls, cruise control, media volume, media channel, lane keep assist, sport mode, gear selection, park brake. There are also voice commands, which I use for selecting navigation destinations. Touchscreen for other things: android auto, apple car play (which provide maps) and more complicated user settings (such as whether you want the lights to stay on after you turn off the car for a while)

wcfields 4y ago
I fully agree, the 2019-2021 Bolt [1] has been my gold standard for the right combo of touch and tactile. Climate and radio preset buttons fully separate and easy to see/touch. It's a shame they went more "slick" with the 2022 refresh, still tactile, but just more flush and less accessible without a glance. [2] [1] https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/OYAqe/s1/2020-chevy-bolt-ev.jpg https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/OYAqe/s1/2020-chevy-bolt-e... [2] https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/02/2022-Chevrolet-BoltEV-017-ZoomTop.jpg https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/02/2022-...
- jrussino 4y ago
  Wow, I'm jealous of the control panel in your first link. In contrast, my 2014 Chevy Volt-with-a-"V" has an absolutely aweful interface. It's a combination of small, laggy touchscreen and a bunch of also-laggy, haphazardly-arranged touch-sensitive buttons: https://www.automotiveaddicts.com/25445/2012-chevrolet-volt-review-test-drive#&gid=1&pid=16 https://www.automotiveaddicts.com/25445/2012-chevrolet-volt-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73W4jZpkf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73W4jZpkf0

olyjohn 4y ago

In the US, all cars will have screens now of one sort or another. Laws were passed requiring the installation of backup cameras in all cars. So, you will never see a new car that doesn't come with a screen of some sort. And if it's going to be required to have a screen, they're not going to make it a single use only for backup cameras.

Tiktaalik 4y ago
I don't necessarily disagree with you in general, I do think we're going to continue to see touch screens dominate, but I thought I'd point out a significant outlier to anyone who like the OP doesn't like touch screens: The Mazda 3. On the latest Mazda 3 (2019+) it does seemingly only use the screen for info and back up camera. There's a big wheel in between the seats to move about the menus. I test drove one recently and it is very nice and intuitive.