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Quick skim and so far I've learned that the term "black box" model is now part of exclusionary language. It's "opaque box".

nojito 4y ago
Because the opposite of black box is clear box so it makes sense to use the opposite of clear which is opaque.
- mbeex 4y ago
  > Because the opposite of black box is clear box Not a native speaker (never heard "clear box" as terminus technicus), but a mathematician: If it is "the (only) opposite", the relation ist symmetric. So the opposite of "clear box" is "black box" again. Skipping the injective part, "black box" would be still one possible opposite.
  - nojito 4y ago
    it's also known as open box or glass box and very rarely white box.
    - mbeex 4y ago
      > very rarely white box. I would not consider the attribute "rare" to be appropriate here. For example: I regularly deal with adversarial networks, and both black- and white-box attacks are quite common there.
- mikevm 4y ago
  No, it makes no sense to change a well-known phrase to an unfamiliar and goofy sounding one just to appease a silly ideology that injects racism into everything.
  - nojito 4y ago
    It has nothing to do with racism, but good on you for bringing racism into the argument though. Black box vs clear/open box are very well known terms. Some people use the term opaque box instead because it a more clear antonym to clear/open box.
    - mikevm 4y ago
      > It has nothing to do with racism, but good on you for bringing racism into the argument though. Nonsense. This is all part of the "oppressive language" concept peddled by the neo-Marxist authoritarian types. > Some people use the term opaque box instead because it a more clear antonym to clear/open box. This is the first time in my life that I head the term "opaque box" used instead of "black box" in this context. I couldn't even find this phrase using a Google search.
vertere 4y ago
I can't see where they criticize the term "black box". So, ironically, this is just a complaint that they used some terminology you don't approve of.
mint2 4y ago
It appears they are just using an alternative phrasing without making comment, but if they were actually making a comment then wouldn’t the overall objection be “not to read too much into the wording”, but that is a catch 22. Objecting to someone taking wording too seriously to the point of changing the wording is in itself taking the wording too seriously.

nojito 4y ago

Because the opposite of black box is clear box so it makes sense to use the opposite of clear which is opaque.

mbeex 4y ago
> Because the opposite of black box is clear box Not a native speaker (never heard "clear box" as terminus technicus), but a mathematician: If it is "the (only) opposite", the relation ist symmetric. So the opposite of "clear box" is "black box" again. Skipping the injective part, "black box" would be still one possible opposite.
- nojito 4y ago
  it's also known as open box or glass box and very rarely white box.
  - mbeex 4y ago
    > very rarely white box. I would not consider the attribute "rare" to be appropriate here. For example: I regularly deal with adversarial networks, and both black- and white-box attacks are quite common there.
mikevm 4y ago
No, it makes no sense to change a well-known phrase to an unfamiliar and goofy sounding one just to appease a silly ideology that injects racism into everything.
- nojito 4y ago
  It has nothing to do with racism, but good on you for bringing racism into the argument though. Black box vs clear/open box are very well known terms. Some people use the term opaque box instead because it a more clear antonym to clear/open box.
  - mikevm 4y ago
    > It has nothing to do with racism, but good on you for bringing racism into the argument though. Nonsense. This is all part of the "oppressive language" concept peddled by the neo-Marxist authoritarian types. > Some people use the term opaque box instead because it a more clear antonym to clear/open box. This is the first time in my life that I head the term "opaque box" used instead of "black box" in this context. I couldn't even find this phrase using a Google search.

vertere 4y ago

I can't see where they criticize the term "black box". So, ironically, this is just a complaint that they used some terminology you don't approve of.

mint2 4y ago

It appears they are just using an alternative phrasing without making comment, but if they were actually making a comment then wouldn’t the overall objection be “not to read too much into the wording”, but that is a catch 22. Objecting to someone taking wording too seriously to the point of changing the wording is in itself taking the wording too seriously.