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If people in the EU want to run software on their iPhones from any random repository willy-nilly then by means knock yourselves out. Admittedly, Apple has mane

If people in the EU want to run software on their iPhones from any random repository willy-nilly then by means knock yourselves out. Admittedly, Apple has maneuvered themselves into a very convenient and profitable position, which is, "We'll keep you safe as long as you stay within our walled garden." That might sound unreasonable to a lot of folks, but the truth is that this approach has a proven track record of actually keeping Apple devices secure. Take a jail-broken iPhone for instance... people are just downloading shit from anywhere just to play around. Keep in mind, downloading software from a random repository this way isn't the same as navigating to a specific website on a computer and downloading software directly from the developer. Software developers might provide package repositories for their own software, but when we talk about "App Stores" we're not really talking about that sort of repository, right? We're talking about a full on application store that provides software from a multitude of vendors. Like I said though, knock yourselves out. It'll be your mess to clean up when your devices are inevitably compromised, not mine.

stale2002 4y ago
> Like I said though, knock yourselves out. It'll be your mess to clean up when your devices are inevitably compromised, not mine. Most people seem fully capable of not collapsing into helplessness when dealing with an "open" market on the PC, without being forced to use a singular app store. I am surprised that the pro "security" people are unable to think of this obvious fact almost immediately, given that installing whatever we want is the baseline standard for PCs, and has been for decades
usrn 4y ago
Apple isn't keeping anyone safe from malware. They have a contractor look (visually) at the phone screen and see if the app is breaking any rules, and watch for weird stuff via an http proxy. This takes something like 15-30 minutes from what I hear. There's no instrumentation, there's no depth to it. It's trivially easy to ship malware and other things that violate the rules. People do it all the time, sometimes they go long long periods without getting caught because they don't draw attention, sometimes they're so big they can just get away with it. The App Store is entirely a fraud as far as safety from malware goes. It just makes sure things look nice which makes you feel safe when you really aren't.

stale2002 4y ago

> Like I said though, knock yourselves out. It'll be your mess to clean up when your devices are inevitably compromised, not mine. Most people seem fully capable of not collapsing into helplessness when dealing with an "open" market on the PC, without being forced to use a singular app store. I am surprised that the pro "security" people are unable to think of this obvious fact almost immediately, given that installing whatever we want is the baseline standard for PCs, and has been for decades

usrn 4y ago

Apple isn't keeping anyone safe from malware. They have a contractor look (visually) at the phone screen and see if the app is breaking any rules, and watch for weird stuff via an http proxy. This takes something like 15-30 minutes from what I hear. There's no instrumentation, there's no depth to it. It's trivially easy to ship malware and other things that violate the rules. People do it all the time, sometimes they go long long periods without getting caught because they don't draw attention, sometimes they're so big they can just get away with it. The App Store is entirely a fraud as far as safety from malware goes. It just makes sure things look nice which makes you feel safe when you really aren't.