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Ask HN: How would you make $100k fast?
Imagine you're in a challenge and need to make $100k, from scratch (zero initial financial investment) in an ethical and legal way, as fast as possible.
What would you do to achieve that? Why? How long do you estimate you'd make it?
- thagerty 4y ago$10 will get you one share of AMC right now, and if the hedge funds ever close their short positions, the result could be $100,000 per share.
- mr-pink 4y agomarijuana arbitrage
- colesantiago 4y agoJoin a FAANG, investment banking / finance or a company with a high TC. [0] [0] https://www.levels.fyi/leaderboard/ https://www.levels.fyi/leaderboard/
- greenpizza13 4y agoWell this is one useless link.
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- neximo64 4y agoGet a job at an investment bank and wait for the bonus
- jschveibinz 4y agoWith zero financial investment, I assume that also means no capital assets of any kind. That excludes land, commodities, resources, labor contracts, securities, etc. I will assume subsistence is available. With that said, you only have labor and ingenuity. The ingenuity is required to identify something valuable (scarce, in high demand, etc.) from an economic standpoint. The labor is initially focused on earning enough capital to acquire the necessary tools. Then, that will enable the labor required to make something of value that can be sold for more capital. The question of time is unanswerable, because it depends on too many factors.
- zeuch 4y agoInteresting. Would you use the same approach for $1M instead of $100k?
- jschveibinz 4y agoYes. I have seen it work many times over.
- hdlothia 4y agoMarry well
- muzani 4y agoThat might take a few years.
- simonblack 4y agoThe best ROI would be to rob a bank. Whether or not you could keep that $100K is another matter entirely. Robbing banks with a gun is not much different from people (aka 'banks') robbing you with a fountain pen, ethically and legally speaking. Read up on the Cyprus Banks and the Bail-In. https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanlewis/2013/05/03/the-cyprus-bank-bail-in-is-another-crony-bankster-scam/?sh=3341f9282685 https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanlewis/2013/05/03/the-cypr...
- muzani 4y agoLooking up the stats, there were 1,788 bank robberies in 2020. There's probably an SOP to robbing banks by now, and a SOP to dealing with them. Tellers are trained to be very polite to bank robbers, which throws them off. Most bank robberies don't even involve a gun right away. They're written notes asking for smaller amounts of money. The clearance rate is 60% which means about 40% don't get caught. However, before anyone sets down this path, you should probably consider that it might be easier to make $100k just working at a bank.
- jrandm 4y ago> might be easier [...] just working at a bank Reminded me of this Key & Peele sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgYYOUC10aM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgYYOUC10aM Robber 2: So how do we get the money? Robber 1: That's the beauty of it, bro. They deposit the money into our bank accounts, week after week, month after month. They're not even gonna know they're being robbed! And then 20-30 years later, we walk out the front door like nothin' even happened.
- rootusrootus 4y agoYou'd have to rob a lot of banks to get to $100K, however. And the FBI is very effective at catching bank robbers. It would be pretty low on my personal list of illegal ways to get money.
- E2EEd 4y agoGo into the biz of robbing banks for profit. Like in Sneakers intro but adjusted for 2022, more automated, robotic, human-decoupled. It'll make DHS salivate when you prove that the need for high speed, AI drone defense is greater than currently is deployed. You'd probably sell a full stack solution with a "Jolly Bank Robber Cookbook Manual 2022" to prove the risks going fwd along with successful live field tests.
- Thespian2 4y agoBe lucky. I don't mean to be flippant, but given the constraints, your speed will be almost entirely proportional to luck/risk. To start, all you have is labor to bootstrap with. So let's say for round numbers $10 / hour, at 40 hours per week is $400. or $1600 for one month. That puts you six "doublings" away from $100K after one month. Go to Vegas, bet it all on black (or red, your choice) and win 6 times in a row, and done. 1 month of labor + a few minutes of very lucky gambling. Or, a single bet that pays off 62.5 to 1. While the odds are the same it probably seems more "practical" to win "just" two 8:1 bets back to back. Investments, options tradings, sports betting, etc will all be some variation of this. Get really lucky, and it can be done in a short time, but with a high risk that you have to start over, and it ends up taking a longer time overall. More realistically, if OP can put all that labor money into investment/savings (assume subsistence is supported otherwise) The standard advice to buy and hold low/no- fee index funds could do it in about 5 years (on average). https://www.investor.gov/financial-tools-calculators/calculators/compound-interest-calculator https://www.investor.gov/financial-tools-calculators/calcula... 400 initial, $1600 / month, 5 years, assume 7% yearly growth +/- 2% variance. Finally, OP says "zero financial investment" - but what other resources do they have? Perhaps the sunk cost of education or training or other skills. Then, their labor might be worth $100 / hour, instead of $10. Get a high-paying job. Then you could make it in 6 months of straight labor income without risk of investment or gambling losses. All the above is wildly speculative, and not investment advice, and somewhat US-centric, and contains completely implausible numbers and assumptions, but is an honest attempt to quantify an answer to the question.
- yuppie_scum 4y agoBlackjack and sports betting. But maybe that’s why you need 100k to begin with
- giantg2 4y agoIf you're female - OnlyFans.
- muzani 4y agoI ran the numbers for fun once, including porn and "sugar baby" and honestly I think it pays terribly. It's probably in the "high waitress tip" range but way below tech. If your only skills are being pretty, your best bet might be ASMR on YouTube. There's also a lot of marketing needed. It's hard enough to sell SaaS or whatever, how do you sell something that's free in large quantities? If you have marketing skills and are willing to show skin, you could probably make money faster selling submarines. It's a bit like acting, sports, drug dealing, novels, where a tiny minority make extreme incomes and most lose money on it. Even then, the top extreme of hard and smart workers like Sasha Grey make less money than say, Notch made from Minecraft.
- altdataseller 4y agoYeah it’s a lot easier to just be an escort, and charge $500/hr
- altdataseller 4y agoIf you're pretty, you probably can make more money doing videos for tech companies, like Stephanie Wong for Google Cloud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og94u8CEsag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og94u8CEsag
- synicalx 4y agoAFAIK the overwhelming majority of creators on OF make way way less than minimum wage.
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- kleer001 4y agoEasy: small, incremental, face-to-face, ratcheted, barter-trading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_red_paperclip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_red_paperclip
- adrianwaj 4y agoI read a story about a guy that made around that amount with Google ads and producing really generic articles - top 10 lists and such. So for people that don't run adblockers I suppose. I also read about Wolfgang Gartner writing music based on top 10 music charts and just emulating those tracks - not sure how much money he made but he has 166k followers on SC.
- GauntletWizard 4y agoI'm a consultant, a site reliability engineer, and that's about my yearly "fun budget". It took a lot of hard work and training and learning to get to this point, though, so my advice is to work hard 10 years ago.
- mr_o47 4y agoThat sounds impressive how were you able to get in a position like What advice would you give
- GauntletWizard 4y agoStudy. Learn. Do personal projects and work projects, work hard and smart. The other option is to have a life.
- enduser 4y agoIt's important to make a favorable impression on people over time. Do good work, be trustworthy. High-paid independent consulting gigs are based on a lot of mutual trust. You never know where the best referrals are going to come from, so do right by everyone.
- michepriest 4y agoI'm working on this now. Officially started January 1 of this year but giving myself a few months of grace because I hit a few bumps in the road with some family stuff. I'd spend the first 3-6 months creating info products (e-books on gumroad, amazon; e-courses on Udemy/Coursera). Once those are up and running spend the 4th month on t-shirts and merch with print-on-demand and sell via shopify/etsy. Take free cohort-based courses and do paid ones with the proceeds from the sales of the info products and merch. Set up affiliate links once I have a bit of an audience. Set up systems to automate all along the way. Mix in some freelance work to start and build websites and apps with no-code. Share my journey on Twitter and YouTube. Because I have money I'm adding podcasting and will buy Google and Instagram ads once I see some traction. I started by doing 100DaysOfNoCode. This is free and taught me how to build stuff on the web. It was a great way to generate business ideas. I've made a bit of money from a few of them. The one that's getting the most traction is micro-coaching with UnstuckIn15 The fastest way to a lot of money is offering cohort-based courses but you need a solid reputation to make it work. With these courses if you charge $199 and have 100 students for a 3 week course that's $19,900. Do one a month and you're basically there in 5 months. Caveat is being able to get 100 signups per month. It's the internet, and you have access to people all over the world. The best thing about this strategy is not having any obligations (no investors, employers, or employees). I'm thinking I'll make around $50K this year. My goal is to eventually make $1 million a year mostly in recurring revenue. I'm thinking that'll take 10+ years, but it's the internet so who knows? The key is try a bunch of stuff. Like how VCs diversify, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Be consistent on your daily output. No matter what happens in your day, do something to advance your work.
- ynac 4y agoHaving done this experiment with a few variations over the years, maybe a dozen times, I've found that the first $100 is the roughest. I'm currently in one now with a buddy and we're going for a grand sum. Exciting. But, we started with $20 each in the pot. When I was in college, I had two concurrent experiments running. Player one was only allowed ethical & legal investments. Player two, well, basically did whatever. Player two crushed player one. It was the 80s. Each player started the contest with one penny. Player one ended up with about $80 in 60 days. Player two was something like $1200+. I promise to plug it here when its done, but we're documenting this game and also publishing a pamphlet / ebook on the basics of playing. Like I said, there are some real challenges getting past the first few dollars. Depending on your rules of course. It's all good fun, if it is for fun. But it's also good to remember while playing a money race, the times when you were flat broke. And if you never had that challenge, try to imagine people who deal with the struggle to eat and shelter every night. Of course, this is another version of the game - Walking Out. Take only what your seed for the game is (one cent, $100) and walk out of the house. Good luck!
- nullbytesmatter 4y ago1. Pick an industry you know well. 2. Look at the most popular monthly paid tools in that industry. 3. Pick a tool that seems interesting and not too difficult to duplicate. 4. Build a competitive product. 5. Sell it.
- aristofun 4y agoAny examples of 1 and 3 combinations that come to mind?
- nullbytesmatter 4y agoAlternative strategy, buy a few dozen bags of uncle bens instant rice and a dozen Psilocybin spore syringes for like ~$100. Grow a few tubs full of mushrooms and sell them online and get paid in Monero. Cash out a small portion of the profits (~$200) and double up your production. Do that a few dozen times. When you got around $50,000 in profit exchange the Monero to ADA/DOGE/SHIB and hold for 2-3x.
- str3wer 4y agolast part is how to get to 0
- Gravyness 4y agoHow else are you supposed to restart the game?
- nullbytesmatter 4y agoThe last part was just for fun. I was originally going to throw in a "Start a cash business and launder your drug money through it." which is probably more useful.
- pengaru 4y agoFind and sell 0-days for lucrative targets like openssh, linux, iOS, etc. to the highest bidder
- pyuser583 4y agoIm too tired to think of the specifics, but it would definitely involve real estate.
- Shatnerz 4y agoWould it be ethical to land several tech jobs at the same time and then do the bare minimum at each to keep the paychecks until you hit $100k? You'll likely be fired and burn some bridges for potential employment, but I think you could hit $100k within a few months including interviewing.
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- desaiguddu 4y agoStaffing or Hiring Consulting is easy to start. Find a startup or enterprise who is looking for Technical Developers, and they are willing to pay for the referral or hiring fees. Scrap HN freelancer or HN looking for job portal & match them with the companies. You will require a computer & some persuasion skills.
- mattbrewsbytes 4y agoThe answers in this thread indicate no really good ideas for fast and legal/ethical so your best bet is to land a tech job and work 6-9 months to get to 100k if you're senior and if you're more junior then probably 1 year. All other 6 figure professions require massive schooling or certifications/apprenticeships/internships of some kind. Or years to get to 6 figure territory. For tech, you can learn web development online and then work at any SaaS that has CRUD apps as a junior-mid level engineer and start around there. If/once you have experience you should be starting above that. One viable option is some consultancy that pays for deliverables, not hours and meeting attendance. Let me know if you find a consultancy like this. I think that would be ideal semi-retirement mode, work one 6 month contract each year or something like that.