I was looking for a source for : > Everything I've read on organic farming and permaculture _nearly always_ yields higher per acre output _nearly always_ You

I was looking for a source for : > Everything I've read on organic farming and permaculture _nearly always_ yields higher per acre output _nearly always_ Your second assertion is accurate: > organic farming yields are lower when comparing against most conventional agriculture I didn't at any stage say "we couldn't properly feed everyone fruits / veg using organic agriculture" - maybe you're mixing me up with some other commenter. What I do think is that currently we are not in a position where we could feed the world's population only with organic (not just fruit and vegetable - grains, meat etc also). Parts of Africa are facing grain shortages due to disruptions in the supply in Ukraine. This shows how tight supplies are. Those chemicals ( and I'm no fan) do enable a massive increase in yields. There's no "simply" - I agree with you that a move away is desirable, but it is far from simple or easy.