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Seems that Digital Ocean comes up quite a bit on HN; Linode does from time to time... who else is in this market segment?

by mikece 4y ago

pbowyer 4y ago
UpCloud (more expensive, were v fast IO when I started using them, not benchmarked for a couple of years) Vultr (have had reliability issues; again no recent data)
- menacingly 4y ago
  anecdotally of course, I’ve really enjoyed working with vultr the last few years. Great performance, and their services are simple and well thought through. It’s perhaps a little too easy to bump into their initial account spending limits, but that’s about the only nit I can pick. It’s probably pretty tiresome fighting fraud on a VPS platform.
- bryans 4y ago
  I wanted to like Vultr, but had reliability issues from day one, even while running nothing but a basic Nginx instance. And instead of the support staff acknowledging the issues or offering any solutions (or even reading my emails, frankly), they rather aggressively told me they don't see an issue, and even if there is an issue that I would need to fix it myself -- completely disregarding the visible evidence that it was at the networking layer. It was one of the most infuriating exchanges I've had with support staff from any company. If there was any redeeming factor, it's that the COO sent a long email apologizing for the CSR's behavior. But when all was said and done, the VPS was still inaccessible a dozen or more times per day, and an apology from an executive doesn't change that.
  - mekster 4y ago
    To me Vultr had a network problem in a specific region (Silicon Valley) in the past intermittently but not recently. I never had any problems in Tokyo region. One unique thing about Vultr is that they provide HDD block storage which is way cheaper than SSD one which seems to be the only option for any other clouds. If you need a large disk like for backups, Vultr is pretty attractive.
  - Ayesh 4y ago
    Using Vultr for about 5 years now, and I agree that they indeed had some problems with networking, but they had them resolved fairly quickly. No issues whatsoever on the past 2 years. Up until recently, I had free block storage and snapshots from them, plus a bunch of credits for discovering some security vulnerabilities in their web site. Pretty good value even at today's pricing.
- jonathanoliver 4y ago
  We stumbled upon UpCloud last year and have been using them for a few production workloads in their Seattle, WA facility. They have the simplest offering of all the various "second-tier" cloud providers--which is something we appreciate because sometimes all you want is a compute resource. For what we pay, the CPUs feel much faster than Linode and Digital Ocean which are often faster than AWS and GCP for similar price points. The evidence is anecdotal but we have noticed that all the jobs we run on UpCloud finish noticeably faster than the other cloud providers. Your mileage may vary.
GauntletWizard 4y ago
Everytime I see it posted, I am linked to vultr[1] and Upcloud[2]. Hetzner[3] and OVHCloud[4] are slightly different market segments, but comparable. Worth noting is Amazon Lightsail[5], which is ec2-but-different. [1] https://www.vultr.com/ https://www.vultr.com/ [2] https://upcloud.com/ https://upcloud.com/ [3] https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud [4] https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/ [5] https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/ https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  I’ve had years of experience with OVH. I would never choose them for a new project. Their product is acceptable , but the customer support people are jerks. Consistently, for years. I can provide very specific examples if you want. EDIT: also have years of experience with Linode, Vultr, DigitalOcean, and even Upcloud (Spanish company as I recall).
  - jonathanoliver 4y ago
    I believe UpCloud is Finnish: https://upcloud.com/about/ https://upcloud.com/about/
  - mekster 4y ago
    Last time I tried OVH, their interface was so confusing I just gave up before even considering it seriously. The other ones are quite straightforward.
  - hobs 4y ago
    I left linode almost a decade ago specifically because Chris at linode was an utter dick in in their irc channel, but their other support staff is usually pretty cool.
    - deleted 4y ago
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- okeuro49 4y ago
dgb23 4y ago
Exoscale (CH).
- config_yml 4y ago
  I wish they had some kind of block storage support.
  - href 4y ago
    If you‘re looking for a Swiss provider with block storage: cloudscale.ch uses Ceph as a storage layer.
emptysongglass 4y ago
The Finnish company Aiven.io is doing really cool stuff with managed services for most things you'd want as a startup to mid-size business.
- jonathanoliver 4y ago
  +100 for Aiven on managed databases. We moved from AWS Aurora (MySQL) to Aiven years ago because wanted to be on MySQL 8.x (unavailable on AWS at the time). We've been running a 3-node HA cluster using Aiven's control plane with peering int our VPC and it's been solid since 2019--including with auto-failover for MySQL patches that are applied from time to time during the scheduled maintenance window.
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- Sebguer 4y ago
  Aiven actually powers DigitalOcean's managed databases.
Sebb767 4y ago
Hetzner is pretty similar in its cloud offerings, but it's also not uncommon on HN.
- jacooper 4y ago
  And is way way cheaper, but still not very coludy, they still don't have object storage, and their resource limits are lower than others
  - mekster 4y ago
    They have storage box, which allows for SFTP and other more familiar and easier to use protocols than S3 and very cheap except they only provide European region. Their cloud servers are very cheap (like half the cost of other low cost competitors) but again, very limited regional presence outside Europe. At least they added US region lately.
    - jacooper 4y ago
      Storage box is pretty good, however its not a s redundant as most other object storage providers. Its basically protect by one single raid cluster. I'm really looking forwards to Mega's S4 offering, it very compatitvely priced and is encrypted, and it looks like of have the same kind of data protection as normal mega services.
  - tmikaeld 4y ago
    Object Storage is high on their roadmap, says an internal source.
    - codeflo 4y ago
      Any guess why Hetzner Cloud isn't visibly moving towards offering more managed services in general (the kind of stuff Digital Ocean offers, like databases, Kubernetes etc.)?
      - 4y ago
SadTrombone 4y ago
Scaleway, although they're EU-only atm the price is right for my use case.
- tmikaeld 4y ago
  Scaleway unfortunately have the worst network of the above mentioned services :(
  - SadTrombone 4y ago
    I guess that's why my VPS is so cheap!
einichi 4y ago
Curious to know if any have a good presence in East Asia too
nwilkens 4y ago
https://mnx.io https://mnx.io -- We recently acquired Joyent Triton DataCenter[0,1,2] and commercial business, and are expanding our datacenter footprint this year. Triton is open source[3], so you can run it in your own facility, at home, and our Public Cloud with the same experience. [0]: https://www.tritondatacenter.com https://www.tritondatacenter.com [1]: https://www.joyent.com/blog/a-new-chapter-begins-for-triton-and-smartos https://www.joyent.com/blog/a-new-chapter-begins-for-triton-... [2]: https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq [3]: https://github.com/TritonDataCenter https://github.com/TritonDataCenter
Spiritus 4y ago
Tilaa[1]. They also recently launched a managed database service[2] (beta). [1] https://www.tilaa.com/ https://www.tilaa.com/ [2] https://www.tilaa.com/en/blog/tilaa-cloud-database-beta-is-live https://www.tilaa.com/en/blog/tilaa-cloud-database-beta-is-l...
c16 4y ago
One I only recently heard of through HN is Contabo. 8GB Ram for 5 EUR/mo. I've not used them, but given I pay $6 to DO for 1GB to run a single Mongo instance, I may give them a go. Credit where its due though, DO have a great UI for resource visualiation and firewall rules which is what's currently keeping me from moving.

Seems that Digital Ocean comes up quite a bit on HN; Linode does from time to time... who else is in this market segment?

by mikece 4y ago

Seems that Digital Ocean comes up quite a bit on HN; Linode does from time to time... who else is in this market segment?

pbowyer 4y ago

UpCloud (more expensive, were v fast IO when I started using them, not benchmarked for a couple of years) Vultr (have had reliability issues; again no recent data)

menacingly 4y ago
anecdotally of course, I’ve really enjoyed working with vultr the last few years. Great performance, and their services are simple and well thought through. It’s perhaps a little too easy to bump into their initial account spending limits, but that’s about the only nit I can pick. It’s probably pretty tiresome fighting fraud on a VPS platform.
bryans 4y ago
I wanted to like Vultr, but had reliability issues from day one, even while running nothing but a basic Nginx instance. And instead of the support staff acknowledging the issues or offering any solutions (or even reading my emails, frankly), they rather aggressively told me they don't see an issue, and even if there is an issue that I would need to fix it myself -- completely disregarding the visible evidence that it was at the networking layer. It was one of the most infuriating exchanges I've had with support staff from any company. If there was any redeeming factor, it's that the COO sent a long email apologizing for the CSR's behavior. But when all was said and done, the VPS was still inaccessible a dozen or more times per day, and an apology from an executive doesn't change that.
- mekster 4y ago
  To me Vultr had a network problem in a specific region (Silicon Valley) in the past intermittently but not recently. I never had any problems in Tokyo region. One unique thing about Vultr is that they provide HDD block storage which is way cheaper than SSD one which seems to be the only option for any other clouds. If you need a large disk like for backups, Vultr is pretty attractive.
- Ayesh 4y ago
  Using Vultr for about 5 years now, and I agree that they indeed had some problems with networking, but they had them resolved fairly quickly. No issues whatsoever on the past 2 years. Up until recently, I had free block storage and snapshots from them, plus a bunch of credits for discovering some security vulnerabilities in their web site. Pretty good value even at today's pricing.
jonathanoliver 4y ago
We stumbled upon UpCloud last year and have been using them for a few production workloads in their Seattle, WA facility. They have the simplest offering of all the various "second-tier" cloud providers--which is something we appreciate because sometimes all you want is a compute resource. For what we pay, the CPUs feel much faster than Linode and Digital Ocean which are often faster than AWS and GCP for similar price points. The evidence is anecdotal but we have noticed that all the jobs we run on UpCloud finish noticeably faster than the other cloud providers. Your mileage may vary.

GauntletWizard 4y ago

Everytime I see it posted, I am linked to vultr[1] and Upcloud[2]. Hetzner[3] and OVHCloud[4] are slightly different market segments, but comparable. Worth noting is Amazon Lightsail[5], which is ec2-but-different. [1] https://www.vultr.com/ https://www.vultr.com/ [2] https://upcloud.com/ https://upcloud.com/ [3] https://www.hetzner.com/cloud https://www.hetzner.com/cloud [4] https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/vps/ [5] https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/ https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
I’ve had years of experience with OVH. I would never choose them for a new project. Their product is acceptable , but the customer support people are jerks. Consistently, for years. I can provide very specific examples if you want. EDIT: also have years of experience with Linode, Vultr, DigitalOcean, and even Upcloud (Spanish company as I recall).
- jonathanoliver 4y ago
  I believe UpCloud is Finnish: https://upcloud.com/about/ https://upcloud.com/about/
- mekster 4y ago
  Last time I tried OVH, their interface was so confusing I just gave up before even considering it seriously. The other ones are quite straightforward.
- hobs 4y ago
  I left linode almost a decade ago specifically because Chris at linode was an utter dick in in their irc channel, but their other support staff is usually pretty cool.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
okeuro49 4y ago

dgb23 4y ago

Exoscale (CH).

config_yml 4y ago
I wish they had some kind of block storage support.
- href 4y ago
  If you‘re looking for a Swiss provider with block storage: cloudscale.ch uses Ceph as a storage layer.

emptysongglass 4y ago

The Finnish company Aiven.io is doing really cool stuff with managed services for most things you'd want as a startup to mid-size business.

jonathanoliver 4y ago
+100 for Aiven on managed databases. We moved from AWS Aurora (MySQL) to Aiven years ago because wanted to be on MySQL 8.x (unavailable on AWS at the time). We've been running a 3-node HA cluster using Aiven's control plane with peering int our VPC and it's been solid since 2019--including with auto-failover for MySQL patches that are applied from time to time during the scheduled maintenance window.
deleted 4y ago
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Sebguer 4y ago
Aiven actually powers DigitalOcean's managed databases.

Sebb767 4y ago

Hetzner is pretty similar in its cloud offerings, but it's also not uncommon on HN.

jacooper 4y ago
And is way way cheaper, but still not very coludy, they still don't have object storage, and their resource limits are lower than others
- mekster 4y ago
  They have storage box, which allows for SFTP and other more familiar and easier to use protocols than S3 and very cheap except they only provide European region. Their cloud servers are very cheap (like half the cost of other low cost competitors) but again, very limited regional presence outside Europe. At least they added US region lately.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Storage box is pretty good, however its not a s redundant as most other object storage providers. Its basically protect by one single raid cluster. I'm really looking forwards to Mega's S4 offering, it very compatitvely priced and is encrypted, and it looks like of have the same kind of data protection as normal mega services.
- tmikaeld 4y ago
  Object Storage is high on their roadmap, says an internal source.
  - codeflo 4y ago
    Any guess why Hetzner Cloud isn't visibly moving towards offering more managed services in general (the kind of stuff Digital Ocean offers, like databases, Kubernetes etc.)?
    - 4y ago

SadTrombone 4y ago

Scaleway, although they're EU-only atm the price is right for my use case.

tmikaeld 4y ago
Scaleway unfortunately have the worst network of the above mentioned services :(
- SadTrombone 4y ago
  I guess that's why my VPS is so cheap!

einichi 4y ago

Curious to know if any have a good presence in East Asia too

nwilkens 4y ago

https://mnx.io https://mnx.io -- We recently acquired Joyent Triton DataCenter[0,1,2] and commercial business, and are expanding our datacenter footprint this year. Triton is open source[3], so you can run it in your own facility, at home, and our Public Cloud with the same experience. [0]: https://www.tritondatacenter.com https://www.tritondatacenter.com [1]: https://www.joyent.com/blog/a-new-chapter-begins-for-triton-and-smartos https://www.joyent.com/blog/a-new-chapter-begins-for-triton-... [2]: https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq https://www.mnxsolutions.com/triton-faq [3]: https://github.com/TritonDataCenter https://github.com/TritonDataCenter

Spiritus 4y ago

Tilaa[1]. They also recently launched a managed database service[2] (beta). [1] https://www.tilaa.com/ https://www.tilaa.com/ [2] https://www.tilaa.com/en/blog/tilaa-cloud-database-beta-is-live https://www.tilaa.com/en/blog/tilaa-cloud-database-beta-is-l...

c16 4y ago

One I only recently heard of through HN is Contabo. 8GB Ram for 5 EUR/mo. I've not used them, but given I pay $6 to DO for 1GB to run a single Mongo instance, I may give them a go. Credit where its due though, DO have a great UI for resource visualiation and firewall rules which is what's currently keeping me from moving.