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>This is just about non-DuckDuckGo and non-Microsoft sites in our browsers, where our search syndication agreement currently prevents us from stopping Microsoft
by ineedasername 4y ago
>This is just about non-DuckDuckGo and non-Microsoft sites in our browsers, where our search syndication agreement currently prevents us from stopping Microsoft-owned scripts from loading
But this is exactly the problem. Sure, unlike Google DDG is not itself collecting data, and there appear to be limited tracking on MS properties, but unless I misunderstand the situation (a decent possibility) then the vast majority of the web, which are not MS sites, are still able to use MS scripts for tracking.
You are marketing a privacy-centric ecosystems of tools but your partner in one component (search) is preventing you from implementing that vision in non-search areas, so that should be clear. It should also be clear that it's still very much a search problem. The source of the limitation has search as a root cause, and a massive corporation with just as much interest in obtaining data on user browsing habits is still able to do so in some ways.
I admit this is still a better situation than Google, but you're providing an ecosystem of tools, they are inextricably linked with each other.
I don't have any proposed solution. I'm not sure there needs to be one aside from making boundaries clear. I still see significant value in your offerings. Partnering with a provider of quality search that solves some but not all privacy issues is still valuable. Each person chooses their own level of comfort & tradeoffs between product quality & privacy, and you offer what I consider to be a valuable middle ground in that range. But let's just be clear on what the middle ground is made of, though I otherwise do not judge harshly for an agreement like this.
Thank you for making great tools.
- derefr 4y agoIt is “independent from search” in the sense that people who just use DDG as a web search provider from any browser other than DDG’s own will be unaffected by this constraint, and will browse just as anonymously as if this constraint was not imposed. (Which is to say: as anonymously as their browser enables for them, with DDG not being the limiting constraint. Not so anonymous for Chrome; much more anonymous for Brave / TorBrowser / etc.) All this constraint is doing is limiting the increase in privacy you get from using the DDG mobile app on top of the privacy you get from using the DDG web search provider. At worst, DDG searches in the DDG app will be no less private than DDG searches done in any non-privacy-enforcing browser, e.g. Chrome. Which is to say—still pretty private. Also, I presume that only a minority of DDG users are users of the DDG mobile browser app. (I didn’t even know it existed!)
- ineedasername 4y agoIt's a good point, but it's also why I was specific about it being an issue with the ecosystem, encompassing their apps.