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It’s spam. This is HN spam. “Framework Alternative”, but: - No repair schematics. - No open source anything. (Framework open sourced their embedded controller

It’s spam. This is HN spam. “Framework Alternative”, but: - No repair schematics. - No open source anything. (Framework open sourced their embedded controller) - No ecosystem. No 3D printing models or CNC models for making your own parts. - No purchase price (only “B2B sales” and some godforsaken subscription service). This reminds me of the tons of companies which are now marketing their products as “open source” because they use bits and pieces of open source software in the product. But then none of the actual product has any source available to the public. Everything about this is misleading. The advertised laptop doesn’t even seem to exist. It’s not even possible to buy this in the website. For people who want cool “open” hardware, please support projects at https://www.crowdsupply.com/ https://www.crowdsupply.com/ particularly any which either offer or pinky-promise to release ALL of the following: - Software source code - Electrical schematics - PCB layout files

skyfaller 4y ago
And this is why I always check the comments first before clicking on HN links! Thanks for saving my time / helping me not give irrelevant pages traffic.
riedel 4y ago
I admit the clickbait part if you look at it from an open source/open hardware perspective, however, with the title I wanted to rather follow up on the lacking trackpoint keyboard for a repairable modular laptop. And you are also right on the b2b ( see also my own comment below). However, not much of an framework ecosystem has actually materialized yet. To me it is an alternative as it is also modular and repairable to some degree. Your post is also quite typical HN in its negativity:The product does exist and you can buy it via resellers. Maybe a better title would be ThinkPad alternative. The comparison to framework wasn't actually my idea but I read review about it in one of the biggest European computer tech magazies [1]. It also has been featured with a reference to framework on Tom's HW [2] Edit:wording, link [1] https://www.heise.de/tests/Nachhaltiges-Business-Notebook-PrimeBook-Circular-im-Test-7099513.html https://www.heise.de/tests/Nachhaltiges-Business-Notebook-Pr... [2] https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/prime-computer-launches-primebook-circular-modular-laptop https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/prime-computer-launches...
spaniard89277 4y ago
I don't think it is given the user's history. But he didn't think about it too much. I see he's also waiting for a trackpoint in the framework but i don't think we'll get it, some framework people said it wasn't feasible and there's a long road ahead before we get 3rd party stuff. I can't get a framework either, as I live in the EU.
m463 4y ago
I'm reminded of the history of the term "open source" itself. It came from Eric S Raymond and other folks to counter Free Software/GPL in a more commercially minded way. I think Richard Stallman said it meant "you can view the source" without necessarily granting any other rights. I think since then it has been more defined, but there seem to be hidden gotcha's possible. Like maybe https://github.com/rapi3/pfsense-is-closed-source https://github.com/rapi3/pfsense-is-closed-source

skyfaller 4y ago

And this is why I always check the comments first before clicking on HN links! Thanks for saving my time / helping me not give irrelevant pages traffic.

riedel 4y ago

I admit the clickbait part if you look at it from an open source/open hardware perspective, however, with the title I wanted to rather follow up on the lacking trackpoint keyboard for a repairable modular laptop. And you are also right on the b2b ( see also my own comment below). However, not much of an framework ecosystem has actually materialized yet. To me it is an alternative as it is also modular and repairable to some degree. Your post is also quite typical HN in its negativity:The product does exist and you can buy it via resellers. Maybe a better title would be ThinkPad alternative. The comparison to framework wasn't actually my idea but I read review about it in one of the biggest European computer tech magazies [1]. It also has been featured with a reference to framework on Tom's HW [2] Edit:wording, link [1] https://www.heise.de/tests/Nachhaltiges-Business-Notebook-PrimeBook-Circular-im-Test-7099513.html https://www.heise.de/tests/Nachhaltiges-Business-Notebook-Pr... [2] https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/prime-computer-launches-primebook-circular-modular-laptop https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/prime-computer-launches...

spaniard89277 4y ago

I don't think it is given the user's history. But he didn't think about it too much. I see he's also waiting for a trackpoint in the framework but i don't think we'll get it, some framework people said it wasn't feasible and there's a long road ahead before we get 3rd party stuff. I can't get a framework either, as I live in the EU.

m463 4y ago

I'm reminded of the history of the term "open source" itself. It came from Eric S Raymond and other folks to counter Free Software/GPL in a more commercially minded way. I think Richard Stallman said it meant "you can view the source" without necessarily granting any other rights. I think since then it has been more defined, but there seem to be hidden gotcha's possible. Like maybe https://github.com/rapi3/pfsense-is-closed-source https://github.com/rapi3/pfsense-is-closed-source