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Seems like a great way to get your account closed for abuse!

Manuel_D 4y ago
If it becomes prevalent, I think YouTube would do something like slightly randomize the compression in their videos to dissuade this kind of use.
- serf 4y ago
  isn't the point here that the sub-pixels being produced are so large that it would take a tremendous amount of artifacts to reduce them to an unreadable state? in other words; if YTs compression was affecting it so badly that it prevented the data from being re-read, wouldn't that compression scheme render normal video-watching impossible?
LewisVerstappen 4y ago
You'd be surprised how much YouTube lets you upload. I've been uploading 2-3 hours of content a day every day for the past few years. On the same account too. I have fewer than 10 subscribers lol.
- emptysongglass 4y ago
  Lucky you. I just posted my first two videos from a conference that were banned within a day for violating "Community Guidelines" without appeal.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- c0balt 4y ago
  They let you sometimes get away with a lot more[0] ;) [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olkb7fYSyiI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olkb7fYSyiI
- bityard 4y ago
  What kind of content do you upload? (Should "content" be in air quotes? :P)
  - LewisVerstappen 4y ago
    Lol yeah. It's just recordings of myself when I'm doing deep work. I use OBS to stream my computer screen and a video recording of myself (mostly me muttering to myself). It helps me avoid getting distracted (I feel like I'm being watched lol) and it's also interested to check back if I want to see what I was working on 3 months ago. All the videos are unlisted or private.
    - nittanymount 4y ago
      wow, curious, are you keeping these videos there, or will delete them after several months?
    - adolph 4y ago
      Isn't that what Twitch is for?
      - gcmrtc 4y ago
        AFAIK twitch deletes your saved streams after some time.
    - pcthrowaway 4y ago
      Are you screensharing while recording? What tooling do you use to do this if so? Also, any potential issues with Google having access to proprietary code? I know the chance of any human at Google interpreting your videos is near-zero but still
- deanCommie 4y ago
  How MUCH - yes - as long as it's videos, and it's not violating copyright, you're probably not violating any Terms of Service. But I guarantee there is some clause in the ToS that this project violates.
robotnikman 4y ago
Another thread posted today makes it seem like they don't really care https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31488455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31488455
deckar01 4y ago
You could make it much harder to detect by synthesizing a unique video with a DNN and hiding the data using traditional stenography techniques.
- Mockapapella 4y ago
  I think that video compression might make this not a viable technique. Artifacts would destroy the hidden data, right?
  - bitexploder 4y ago
    That is what redundancy and error correcting codes are for. It will reduce your data density, but I am sure you can find parameters that preserve the data.
  - upupandup 4y ago
    Couldn't you also embed data through sound? Upload a video of a monkey at the zoo but you insert ultrasound with encoded data. something like this but far more mundane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLNpy62jIFk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLNpy62jIFk
    - bityard 4y ago
      > but you insert ultrasound with encoded data Others in these comments have also suggested steganography in both the video and audio streams. The problem with that is that when you retrieve a video from YouTube, you never get the original version back. You only get a lossy re-encoded version, and the very definition of lossy encoding is to toss out details that humans can't (or wouldn't easily) perceive, including ultra-sonic audio.
      - dotancohen 4y ago
        It might be ridiculous, but how about uploading a computer-generated video of a human saying 0 and 1 very quickly, to encode binary file. Or better yet, the file could be one third the size if the human says the numbers 0 to 7.
johndfsgdgdfg 4y ago
Then the whole HN crowd would have enough outrage materials for weeks. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

If it becomes prevalent, I think YouTube would do something like slightly randomize the compression in their videos to dissuade this kind of use.

serf 4y ago
isn't the point here that the sub-pixels being produced are so large that it would take a tremendous amount of artifacts to reduce them to an unreadable state? in other words; if YTs compression was affecting it so badly that it prevented the data from being re-read, wouldn't that compression scheme render normal video-watching impossible?

LewisVerstappen 4y ago

You'd be surprised how much YouTube lets you upload. I've been uploading 2-3 hours of content a day every day for the past few years. On the same account too. I have fewer than 10 subscribers lol.

emptysongglass 4y ago
Lucky you. I just posted my first two videos from a conference that were banned within a day for violating "Community Guidelines" without appeal.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
c0balt 4y ago
They let you sometimes get away with a lot more[0] ;) [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olkb7fYSyiI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olkb7fYSyiI
bityard 4y ago
What kind of content do you upload? (Should "content" be in air quotes? :P)
- LewisVerstappen 4y ago
  Lol yeah. It's just recordings of myself when I'm doing deep work. I use OBS to stream my computer screen and a video recording of myself (mostly me muttering to myself). It helps me avoid getting distracted (I feel like I'm being watched lol) and it's also interested to check back if I want to see what I was working on 3 months ago. All the videos are unlisted or private.
  - nittanymount 4y ago
    wow, curious, are you keeping these videos there, or will delete them after several months?
  - adolph 4y ago
    Isn't that what Twitch is for?
    - gcmrtc 4y ago
      AFAIK twitch deletes your saved streams after some time.
  - pcthrowaway 4y ago
    Are you screensharing while recording? What tooling do you use to do this if so? Also, any potential issues with Google having access to proprietary code? I know the chance of any human at Google interpreting your videos is near-zero but still
deanCommie 4y ago
How MUCH - yes - as long as it's videos, and it's not violating copyright, you're probably not violating any Terms of Service. But I guarantee there is some clause in the ToS that this project violates.

robotnikman 4y ago

Another thread posted today makes it seem like they don't really care https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31488455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31488455

deckar01 4y ago

You could make it much harder to detect by synthesizing a unique video with a DNN and hiding the data using traditional stenography techniques.

Mockapapella 4y ago
I think that video compression might make this not a viable technique. Artifacts would destroy the hidden data, right?
- bitexploder 4y ago
  That is what redundancy and error correcting codes are for. It will reduce your data density, but I am sure you can find parameters that preserve the data.
- upupandup 4y ago
  Couldn't you also embed data through sound? Upload a video of a monkey at the zoo but you insert ultrasound with encoded data. something like this but far more mundane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLNpy62jIFk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLNpy62jIFk
  - bityard 4y ago
    > but you insert ultrasound with encoded data Others in these comments have also suggested steganography in both the video and audio streams. The problem with that is that when you retrieve a video from YouTube, you never get the original version back. You only get a lossy re-encoded version, and the very definition of lossy encoding is to toss out details that humans can't (or wouldn't easily) perceive, including ultra-sonic audio.
    - dotancohen 4y ago
      It might be ridiculous, but how about uploading a computer-generated video of a human saying 0 and 1 very quickly, to encode binary file. Or better yet, the file could be one third the size if the human says the numbers 0 to 7.

johndfsgdgdfg 4y ago

Then the whole HN crowd would have enough outrage materials for weeks. Seems like a win-win situation to me.