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Isn’t it too early to tell? The crash is very recent.

by ido 4y ago

athrowaway3z 4y ago
I like your optimism but what crash? Things might get much worse. Or not. There are many things happening at once. One that I think people are underestimating is baby boomer money. They are retired/retiring. It doesn't feel comfortable with the same risk that was acceptable in the last decade. That will suck at an unprecedented amount of liquidity from the system.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  I may be living under a rock but i second the question: “what crash”? I am not aware of anything of the sort.
  - sdevonoes 4y ago
    Same here. People talk also about the "2020 pandemic recession", and at least in IT I didn't notice it at all. So, yeah, maybe we (software developers) are the privileged ones. Touching wood.
  - Leherenn 4y ago
    At least in the markets, the NASDAQ is down roughly 30% YTD.
    - pedrosorio 4y ago
      Which is still 50% up from 3 years ago and 80% up from the "crash" of 2018
    - thegeomaster 4y ago
      Right, but financial markets are forward-looking (or "leading economic indicators"). They don't encode the current state, they encode a consensus prediction for some time period in the future. In this case, the stock market is pricing in a sharp downturn in profits (and margins) over at least the next few quarters, and I don't believe it's even finished.
  - fundad 4y ago
    US economic growth is leveling off after the recovery in 2021. The opposition party wants to use it to retake power and is calling it a disaster to undermine optimism in the economy. Business owners fear a drop in demand and scale back hiring.
- donsupreme 4y ago
  But that's precisely why the "correction" will have to be much steeper for Fed to rein in inflation. Fed cannot magically fix the supply side: they can't control Putin or lockdown in China. The only way to bring inflation way down is by dampening demand. To dampen demand Fed essentially would like see the stock market collapse, the extra liquidity that has been injected for the past 10 years need to be evaporated so people will feel impact to bring down demand.
grumple 4y ago
So far it's really just asset valuations coming back to earth. With employment so high, wages higher than ever, and the problem is that we can't get enough supplies are employees, can we really call this a crash for the economy at large? For once it's wall street suffering while main street thrives.

Isn’t it too early to tell? The crash is very recent.

by ido 4y ago

Isn’t it too early to tell? The crash is very recent.

I like your optimism but what crash? Things might get much worse. Or not. There are many things happening at once. One that I think people are underestimating is baby boomer money. They are retired/retiring. It doesn't feel comfortable with the same risk that was acceptable in the last decade. That will suck at an unprecedented amount of liquidity from the system.

yrgulation 4y ago
I may be living under a rock but i second the question: “what crash”? I am not aware of anything of the sort.
- sdevonoes 4y ago
  Same here. People talk also about the "2020 pandemic recession", and at least in IT I didn't notice it at all. So, yeah, maybe we (software developers) are the privileged ones. Touching wood.
- Leherenn 4y ago
  At least in the markets, the NASDAQ is down roughly 30% YTD.
  - pedrosorio 4y ago
    Which is still 50% up from 3 years ago and 80% up from the "crash" of 2018
  - thegeomaster 4y ago
    Right, but financial markets are forward-looking (or "leading economic indicators"). They don't encode the current state, they encode a consensus prediction for some time period in the future. In this case, the stock market is pricing in a sharp downturn in profits (and margins) over at least the next few quarters, and I don't believe it's even finished.
- fundad 4y ago
  US economic growth is leveling off after the recovery in 2021. The opposition party wants to use it to retake power and is calling it a disaster to undermine optimism in the economy. Business owners fear a drop in demand and scale back hiring.
donsupreme 4y ago
But that's precisely why the "correction" will have to be much steeper for Fed to rein in inflation. Fed cannot magically fix the supply side: they can't control Putin or lockdown in China. The only way to bring inflation way down is by dampening demand. To dampen demand Fed essentially would like see the stock market collapse, the extra liquidity that has been injected for the past 10 years need to be evaporated so people will feel impact to bring down demand.

grumple 4y ago

So far it's really just asset valuations coming back to earth. With employment so high, wages higher than ever, and the problem is that we can't get enough supplies are employees, can we really call this a crash for the economy at large? For once it's wall street suffering while main street thrives.