I read those two articles: The first one is along the lines of, "I'm here! I exist!" and doesn't make any arguments at all. The second one is much more inter

I read those two articles: The first one is along the lines of, "I'm here! I exist!" and doesn't make any arguments at all. The second one is much more interesting! However, it isn't making any case at all one way or the other. Though I will say this: The Atlantic article does a pretty good job summing up the stance of the pro-life scientists: > “There had been, a long time ago, this mantra from our friends on the other side of this issue that, while a little one is developing in its mother’s womb, it’s not a baby,” she says. “It’s really hard to make that argument when you see and hear a heartbeat and watch little hands moving around.” If the entire basis of their argument is, "this is a baby!" then it's not going to win over very many pro-choice folks because they know it's a baby. It's a developing human life. Absolutely! But then again: So what? Why is that special? It certainly hasn't been born yet. It can't even feel pain until about 29-30 weeks. Sooner or later we'll have completely artificial wombs and when that day comes the folks (or AIs) operating them will probably regularly discard fetuses that aren't growing how they'd like. They'll also probably have machines that can produce (or manufacture!) eggs and sperm with whatever genetics are desired. At that point a fertilized egg will be viable the moment it's fertilized. Does that mean we have to give it a social security number and treat it like it's complete human? Absolutely not! Being anti-choice doesn't have a basis in science or reason: It's a moral position. That's what's wrong with debate from that side: They pretend it's not and it comes off as super disingenuous. You can make a well-reasoned, logical argument from that premise of, "here's why we think it's morally wrong" but that's never where it goes. It's always about heartbeats or sucking of thumbs or whatever a developing human can do at various stages.