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We have push-to-talk, group chat, and live video software for similar devices: Kyocera DuraXV https://kyoceramobile.com/duraxv-extreme/ https://kyoceramobile.co

by r2sk5t 4y ago

We have push-to-talk, group chat, and live video software for similar devices: Kyocera DuraXV https://kyoceramobile.com/duraxv-extreme/ https://kyoceramobile.com/duraxv-extreme/ Sonim XP3 Plus https://www.sonimtech.com/products/devices/xp3plus/ https://www.sonimtech.com/products/devices/xp3plus/ Both flip phones are based on AOSP (https://source.android.com/ https://source.android.com/) and we've had to deal with custom implementations of soft keys, and push to talk headsets. Even Kyocera's implementation varies between the ATT version (https://kyoceramobile.com/duraxe-epic/att/ https://kyoceramobile.com/duraxe-epic/att/) and the Verizon one. This phone is made by https://bullitt-group.com/ https://bullitt-group.com/ and they very smartly license the CAT brand. We have not worked with them yet, but I'm guessing it would be relatively trivial to support the phone. Without good soft-key support, these phones are unusable. Any questions, please LMK.

mintplant 4y ago
Who is "we"?
- deleted 4y ago
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- r2sk5t 4y ago
  We are a software company called ALO https://alo.ai https://alo.ai
  - Mo3 4y ago
    - r2sk5t 4y ago
      Sincere apologies. I did not reply to this thread for business development purposes, since our customers run stadiums, arenas, campuses, facilities, etc. Would it have been more proper for me to not answer the question?
      - Mo3 4y ago
        Your experience is highly appreciated, I see your post came off in a different light, to answer the question, it could’ve been done in a way that only highlights the specific possible issue and not a straight-up “unusable” label in combination with an obvious plug for your own service
        tucnak 4y ago
        Why are you bullying them? Moreover they've apologised already. Not cool.
        Mo3 4y ago
        Im not bullying anyone - they asked a question - I replied
        tucnak 4y ago
        Well done, bully! I'm glad you're full of yourself.
      - r2sk5t 4y ago
        Appreciate the explanation, and I never intended to reveal my identity. I obviously have way too much scar tissue from dealing with insufficient or non-existent soft-key support, and as a result way overzealous on this issue. Cheers.
xmonkee 4y ago
The CAT phone definitely looks a lot better.
- r2sk5t 4y ago
  Our important requirements: * Android > 10 * fast enough processor * strong soft-key API/SDK support * loud speaker * all day replaceable battery * retail cost < $250 * mobile device management software (MDM) * PTT headset support https://kleinelectronics.com/p-o-c-ptt-over-cellular/shop-by-application/alo/ https://kleinelectronics.com/p-o-c-ptt-over-cellular/shop-by...
tauntz 4y ago
> Without good soft-key support, these phones are unusable. Depends on what you mean by "good". I worked with PTT for a long time (disclosure: Motorola WAVE), Android devices with HW buttons, wired PTT headsets and buttons, wireless PTT headsets and buttons, you name it. It's a world of pain and _lots_ of edge cases and testing but in the end, there was always a way to beat any device into submission and get it working for most common use-cases. Any questions, LMK :)
- r2sk5t 4y ago
  I can affirm that beating devices into submission is possible :-) We support iOS too with PTT headsets, Airpods, and other BT headsets and that gets interesting in different ways. Based on my experience, it seems hardware vendors are not treating soft-keys as a core requirement and are generally bolting support on and in some cases omitting it. It's as if the requirements didn't include third party app support beyond the carriers PTT products that they OEM.
  - tauntz 4y ago
    Indeed! Add to this older Android OS support, Classic BT devices, BT LE devices, combined LE - Classic devices (and each with their own firmware quirks), audio routing, undocumented APIs ..and the list goes on and on. PTT is a wonderful world :)
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Just curious why something like Apple doesn't support it out of the box? Is there some sort of regulation that won't let them or just plain ignorance of customers? I guess we got softcore version where you can ask Siri be kind enough to attempt to send a voice message, which absolutely sucks for unsupported languages.
  - r2sk5t 4y ago
    Apple has been highly supportive of what we're doing. I mentioned Apple because it's difficult in different ways and there are many edge cases; especially with BT & wired headsets.

by r2sk5t 4y ago

mintplant 4y ago

Who is "we"?

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
r2sk5t 4y ago
We are a software company called ALO https://alo.ai https://alo.ai
- Mo3 4y ago
  - r2sk5t 4y ago
    Sincere apologies. I did not reply to this thread for business development purposes, since our customers run stadiums, arenas, campuses, facilities, etc. Would it have been more proper for me to not answer the question?
    - Mo3 4y ago
      Your experience is highly appreciated, I see your post came off in a different light, to answer the question, it could’ve been done in a way that only highlights the specific possible issue and not a straight-up “unusable” label in combination with an obvious plug for your own service
      - tucnak 4y ago
        Why are you bullying them? Moreover they've apologised already. Not cool.
        Mo3 4y ago
        Im not bullying anyone - they asked a question - I replied
        tucnak 4y ago
        Well done, bully! I'm glad you're full of yourself.
    - r2sk5t 4y ago
      Appreciate the explanation, and I never intended to reveal my identity. I obviously have way too much scar tissue from dealing with insufficient or non-existent soft-key support, and as a result way overzealous on this issue. Cheers.

xmonkee 4y ago

The CAT phone definitely looks a lot better.

r2sk5t 4y ago
Our important requirements: * Android > 10 * fast enough processor * strong soft-key API/SDK support * loud speaker * all day replaceable battery * retail cost < $250 * mobile device management software (MDM) * PTT headset support https://kleinelectronics.com/p-o-c-ptt-over-cellular/shop-by-application/alo/ https://kleinelectronics.com/p-o-c-ptt-over-cellular/shop-by...

tauntz 4y ago

> Without good soft-key support, these phones are unusable. Depends on what you mean by "good". I worked with PTT for a long time (disclosure: Motorola WAVE), Android devices with HW buttons, wired PTT headsets and buttons, wireless PTT headsets and buttons, you name it. It's a world of pain and _lots_ of edge cases and testing but in the end, there was always a way to beat any device into submission and get it working for most common use-cases. Any questions, LMK :)

r2sk5t 4y ago
I can affirm that beating devices into submission is possible :-) We support iOS too with PTT headsets, Airpods, and other BT headsets and that gets interesting in different ways. Based on my experience, it seems hardware vendors are not treating soft-keys as a core requirement and are generally bolting support on and in some cases omitting it. It's as if the requirements didn't include third party app support beyond the carriers PTT products that they OEM.
- tauntz 4y ago
  Indeed! Add to this older Android OS support, Classic BT devices, BT LE devices, combined LE - Classic devices (and each with their own firmware quirks), audio routing, undocumented APIs ..and the list goes on and on. PTT is a wonderful world :)
dzhiurgis 4y ago
Just curious why something like Apple doesn't support it out of the box? Is there some sort of regulation that won't let them or just plain ignorance of customers? I guess we got softcore version where you can ask Siri be kind enough to attempt to send a voice message, which absolutely sucks for unsupported languages.
- r2sk5t 4y ago
  Apple has been highly supportive of what we're doing. I mentioned Apple because it's difficult in different ways and there are many edge cases; especially with BT & wired headsets.