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rt.com does not show up in your search results when searching for either "rt" or "russia today".

by cudder 4y ago

herdcall 4y ago
I just searched for "russia today" on DDG and rt.com did NOT show up on the first page, instead the page has: aljazeera, dailymail, cnn, bbc, reuters, themoscotimes, wikipedia, cnbc, npr, and yahoo. And this is from California (Orange County).
- yegg 4y ago
  Not sure what is going on there (will investigate, not intentional), but try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt&ia=web & https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  To be fair, they changed their name to RT over a decade ago. Neither their home page nor their about page feature the word "today."
  - herdcall 4y ago
    Well, rt.com is the first result on Brave search for the same search.
  - somenameforme 4y ago
    In the meta it's listed as the author name. A good way to illustrate the consequences of "curating" searches is to search for its meta description but exclude the term RT (which presumably overrides the "curation") : https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+first+Russian+24%2F7+English-language+news+channel+which+brings+the+Russian+view+on+global+news.&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+first+Russian+24%2F7+English-l... You get lots of spammy stuff (top link is a site offering to sell a translation of RT), site-ranking sites (that rank RT), some rando lady quoting RT's meta description on Twitter (!!!), and even RT's pages on Twitter, Linkedin. And then it's finally there, just before getting into really high quality results like a page on rotten tomatoes ranking the 200 Best LGBTQ+ Movies of All Time. "Curating" results is a great way to completely break your own search engine.
    - notriddle 4y ago
      > In the meta it's listed as the author name. If I was designing a search engine, I wouldn't use keywords in meta tags for ranking. It's too vulnerable to keyword stuffing attacks.
- gruez 4y ago
  FWIW I tried "rt" and "russia today" and rt.com was the first hit for both.
yegg 4y ago
Yes it does. It is actually the top result, and also the top results if you search for 'rt ukraine'. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web If you are in the EU, though, the EU legally prohibited search engines from linking to RT & Sputnik.
- cudder 4y ago
  > If you are in the EU, though, the EU legally prohibited search engines from linking to RT & Sputnik. That must be it then, I wasn't aware. Thanks for correcting me.
  - barbacoa 4y ago
    >That must be it then, I wasn't aware. Thanks for correcting me. You weren't wrong. Try to get RT to show up without specifying "RT"/"Russia today"/etc. I can search RT article titles with quotes but the original RT link will be on the second page if at all. Now repeat this experiment with the NYTimes and compare the outcome. DDG may not delist RT but you would not be a fool to suspect DDG throttles the visibility.
- ColinHayhurst 4y ago
  > the EU legally prohibited search engines from linking to RT & Sputnik. They prohibited broadcasters [0]. The legality of extension to search is disputed [1]. The EU sent a request to Google [2]. Microsoft announced changes including "further de-ranking these sites’ search results on Bing" ahead of the EU sanctions and PR [3]. [0] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022... [1] https://twitter.com/tjmcintyre/status/1501596542624485382 https://twitter.com/tjmcintyre/status/1501596542624485382 [2] https://www.lumendatabase.org/blog_entries/notice-in-lumen-reveals-that-eu-mandated-removal-of-russian-state-sponsored-news-from-googles-search-engine https://www.lumendatabase.org/blog_entries/notice-in-lumen-r... [3] https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/02/28/ukraine-russia-digital-war-cyberattacks/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/02/28/ukraine...
- 4y ago

rt.com does not show up in your search results when searching for either "rt" or "russia today".

by cudder 4y ago

rt.com does not show up in your search results when searching for either "rt" or "russia today".

I just searched for "russia today" on DDG and rt.com did NOT show up on the first page, instead the page has: aljazeera, dailymail, cnn, bbc, reuters, themoscotimes, wikipedia, cnbc, npr, and yahoo. And this is from California (Orange County).

yegg 4y ago
Not sure what is going on there (will investigate, not intentional), but try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt&ia=web & https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web
boomboomsubban 4y ago
To be fair, they changed their name to RT over a decade ago. Neither their home page nor their about page feature the word "today."
- herdcall 4y ago
  Well, rt.com is the first result on Brave search for the same search.
- somenameforme 4y ago
  In the meta it's listed as the author name. A good way to illustrate the consequences of "curating" searches is to search for its meta description but exclude the term RT (which presumably overrides the "curation") : https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+first+Russian+24%2F7+English-language+news+channel+which+brings+the+Russian+view+on+global+news.&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+first+Russian+24%2F7+English-l... You get lots of spammy stuff (top link is a site offering to sell a translation of RT), site-ranking sites (that rank RT), some rando lady quoting RT's meta description on Twitter (!!!), and even RT's pages on Twitter, Linkedin. And then it's finally there, just before getting into really high quality results like a page on rotten tomatoes ranking the 200 Best LGBTQ+ Movies of All Time. "Curating" results is a great way to completely break your own search engine.
  - notriddle 4y ago
    > In the meta it's listed as the author name. If I was designing a search engine, I wouldn't use keywords in meta tags for ranking. It's too vulnerable to keyword stuffing attacks.
gruez 4y ago
FWIW I tried "rt" and "russia today" and rt.com was the first hit for both.

yegg 4y ago

Yes it does. It is actually the top result, and also the top results if you search for 'rt ukraine'. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rt+ukraine&ia=web If you are in the EU, though, the EU legally prohibited search engines from linking to RT & Sputnik.

cudder 4y ago
> If you are in the EU, though, the EU legally prohibited search engines from linking to RT & Sputnik. That must be it then, I wasn't aware. Thanks for correcting me.
- barbacoa 4y ago
  >That must be it then, I wasn't aware. Thanks for correcting me. You weren't wrong. Try to get RT to show up without specifying "RT"/"Russia today"/etc. I can search RT article titles with quotes but the original RT link will be on the second page if at all. Now repeat this experiment with the NYTimes and compare the outcome. DDG may not delist RT but you would not be a fool to suspect DDG throttles the visibility.
ColinHayhurst 4y ago
> the EU legally prohibited search engines from linking to RT & Sputnik. They prohibited broadcasters [0]. The legality of extension to search is disputed [1]. The EU sent a request to Google [2]. Microsoft announced changes including "further de-ranking these sites’ search results on Bing" ahead of the EU sanctions and PR [3]. [0] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/02/eu-imposes-sanctions-on-state-owned-outlets-rt-russia-today-and-sputnik-s-broadcasting-in-the-eu/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022... [1] https://twitter.com/tjmcintyre/status/1501596542624485382 https://twitter.com/tjmcintyre/status/1501596542624485382 [2] https://www.lumendatabase.org/blog_entries/notice-in-lumen-reveals-that-eu-mandated-removal-of-russian-state-sponsored-news-from-googles-search-engine https://www.lumendatabase.org/blog_entries/notice-in-lumen-r... [3] https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/02/28/ukraine-russia-digital-war-cyberattacks/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/02/28/ukraine...
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