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Life imprisonment is just plain cruelty! There is no rehabilitation in the scope… just plain revenge. If someone is broken beyond repair (or sick) then it would

by freedom2099 4y ago

Life imprisonment is just plain cruelty! There is no rehabilitation in the scope… just plain revenge. If someone is broken beyond repair (or sick) then it would be unjust and cruel to throw them in jail for the rest of their life! Sure they must be kept away from the rest of society but rotting in a small cell with daily abuse and basically no rights in my opinion makes society as guilty as the criminals it tries to punish!

michaelmrose 4y ago
Justly the loss of freedom is the punishment and we should not try to subject the offender to abusive treatment but this is ridiculous hyperbole. An example of someone who deserves life imprisonment is Gary Ridgeway aka the Green River Killer who was convicted of murdering 49 but probably killed 90+ innocent girls. Rotting in a small cell is better than he deserves and keeping him there is the only way society and indeed he can be safe. He is segregated even in prison not because of extreme risk he presents although he would certainly be a high risk if ever released, but rather because the risk that someone perhaps a relation of one of the many people he murdered would in turn murder him. Keeping society safe by giving Gary a crummy but safe life doesn't make us as guilty as someone who lured and strangled innocent girls.
- freedom2099 4y ago
  Actually the serial killer example is perfect! He is sick… he doesn’t deserve to suffer because it’s not his fault if he is broken! Ofc he must be kept away from society but that’s it… no extra harshness should be imposed!
kazinator 4y ago
> makes society as guilty as the criminals it tries to punish! I think no, because even if we equate the level of savagery (declare that locking up someone for life in a tiny cell is exactly as savage as whatever they had done), those involved in the locking up retain a moral upper hand, because they do not make random, innocent people the targets of their savagery.
- freedom2099 4y ago
  Very often people committing hideous crimes are just sick! Their mind doesn’t work anymore as it was supposed to (or never did). It is immoral to punish the. Particularly harshly! Sure… we must keep them away from others but that should be it!
  - mbfg 4y ago
    yup, As a society we have to decide if the "justice system" is about retribution, or protection. A society that leans heavily on retribution, as most do, is always going to be unhealthy. If a person is dangerous, they belong in some sort of restrained living condition. If a person has done bad things, giving them excessive punishment because "they really deserved it" is silly.
    - kazinator 4y ago
      A society that has individuals whose behavior (in a retribution-based society) calls for retribution will also always be unhealthy. Avoiding retribution won't heal it.

michaelmrose 4y ago

Justly the loss of freedom is the punishment and we should not try to subject the offender to abusive treatment but this is ridiculous hyperbole. An example of someone who deserves life imprisonment is Gary Ridgeway aka the Green River Killer who was convicted of murdering 49 but probably killed 90+ innocent girls. Rotting in a small cell is better than he deserves and keeping him there is the only way society and indeed he can be safe. He is segregated even in prison not because of extreme risk he presents although he would certainly be a high risk if ever released, but rather because the risk that someone perhaps a relation of one of the many people he murdered would in turn murder him. Keeping society safe by giving Gary a crummy but safe life doesn't make us as guilty as someone who lured and strangled innocent girls.

freedom2099 4y ago
Actually the serial killer example is perfect! He is sick… he doesn’t deserve to suffer because it’s not his fault if he is broken! Ofc he must be kept away from society but that’s it… no extra harshness should be imposed!

kazinator 4y ago

> makes society as guilty as the criminals it tries to punish! I think no, because even if we equate the level of savagery (declare that locking up someone for life in a tiny cell is exactly as savage as whatever they had done), those involved in the locking up retain a moral upper hand, because they do not make random, innocent people the targets of their savagery.

freedom2099 4y ago
Very often people committing hideous crimes are just sick! Their mind doesn’t work anymore as it was supposed to (or never did). It is immoral to punish the. Particularly harshly! Sure… we must keep them away from others but that should be it!
- mbfg 4y ago
  yup, As a society we have to decide if the "justice system" is about retribution, or protection. A society that leans heavily on retribution, as most do, is always going to be unhealthy. If a person is dangerous, they belong in some sort of restrained living condition. If a person has done bad things, giving them excessive punishment because "they really deserved it" is silly.
  - kazinator 4y ago
    A society that has individuals whose behavior (in a retribution-based society) calls for retribution will also always be unhealthy. Avoiding retribution won't heal it.