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> Preceded in each case, if you recall, by attempts by those countries to join NATO. First, all attempts were rejected. It was not that NATO was pushing some g

> Preceded in each case, if you recall, by attempts by those countries to join NATO. First, all attempts were rejected. It was not that NATO was pushing some global agenda to expand. This is Putin's propaganda and it makes no sense. NATO countries were opposed to these countries joining because they didn't want to engage in a war with Russia over them. "You are not important to us enough to die for". Georgia is the opposite of Sweden in this respect. Kremlin's propaganda is aimed at two groups: the Russian society in general, and this lands well with them as nobody wants to be the bad guy, and Westerners with an anti-American sentiment. And they're really successful. Every now and again my colleagues send me links to Mearsheimer's videos trying to convince me all this war is only the fault of the USA, NATO, Ukraine etc. Seems like everybody is guilty except Russia.

pydry 4y ago
>First, all attempts were rejected. They joined the "pathway to peace" or whatever its called. That wasnt rejection that is the road to admission - the same one Ukraine joined. >This is Putin's propaganda and it makes no sense. Google for georgia NATO relations and click on wikipedia. Its the first thing it says. Note the lack of the term "rejection". >Kremlin's propaganda Im well aware of how the Kremlins propaganda operates (selective emphasis on particular truths mostly). Mearshimer isnt a kremlin operative hes an american imperialist who wants Russia to be an ally to present a united front against China. If you and your friends were well versed in the "odessa trade unions massacre" i could imagine that youve been subjected to putins propaganda but I suspect, the flavor of propaganda you imbibe would avoid mentioning it. >Seems like everybody is guilty except Russia. Russia's guilty too, but you want to believe in a good guys (us) vs bad guys narrative which doesnt exist. This clash is evil empire vs. evil empire with ordinary ukrainians trapped in the middle, gladly sacrificed by chickenhawk Americans in the name of taking Russia down.

pydry 4y ago

>First, all attempts were rejected. They joined the "pathway to peace" or whatever its called. That wasnt rejection that is the road to admission - the same one Ukraine joined. >This is Putin's propaganda and it makes no sense. Google for georgia NATO relations and click on wikipedia. Its the first thing it says. Note the lack of the term "rejection". >Kremlin's propaganda Im well aware of how the Kremlins propaganda operates (selective emphasis on particular truths mostly). Mearshimer isnt a kremlin operative hes an american imperialist who wants Russia to be an ally to present a united front against China. If you and your friends were well versed in the "odessa trade unions massacre" i could imagine that youve been subjected to putins propaganda but I suspect, the flavor of propaganda you imbibe would avoid mentioning it. >Seems like everybody is guilty except Russia. Russia's guilty too, but you want to believe in a good guys (us) vs bad guys narrative which doesnt exist. This clash is evil empire vs. evil empire with ordinary ukrainians trapped in the middle, gladly sacrificed by chickenhawk Americans in the name of taking Russia down.