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I'd argue the abusers have more control over their behaviour, not less. They have chosen to act this way because they fear no reprisal.

pfortuny 4y ago
No, that is not the definition of control, sorry. I am not trying to downplay their responsibility, honestly, I am just trying to speak properly. And that is just a biological fact.
- smolder 4y ago
  This "biological fact" about men having less control over their sexual behavior is new to me. I hate to do the "citation needed" thing, but where are you getting this from? What's the empirical evidence? Do you mean because women pick their mates or something like that? The males have to attract them with displays of plumage?
  - consp 4y ago
    I agree with your citation needed. There are many culture which wave away responsibility of men for choosing their actions since it "is in their nature". My guess is that it's modeled behavior by the society they live in (and thus can be changed) but I have no sources.
concordDance 4y ago
Does a male have a higher sex drive? Are they more likely to rape? If yes, then women have, in the aggregate, more control over their sexual behaviour than men. And thus men have less control. This does not necesarily imply anything about what the punishment for rape or assault should be. Note: I am eliding a lot of what the definition of a person is (e.g. everything contained in their skin? Just concious processes? Some form of "natural" baseline that excludes tumors/drugs/etc?) in the above so YMMV. I recommend using "I agree with the denotation but disagree with connotation/affect" for situations like replying to the grandparent post.
- mygoodaccount 4y ago
  >Does a male have a higher sex drive? Yes. Sex drive has a lot to do with T levels. Woman's sex drive is at her highest when her T is highest (ovulating). >More likely to rape Yes. Rape requires physicality. Most women are incapable of raping a man, without drugs or a gun. All this to say, I'm not sure what the point of the subthread is.

pfortuny 4y ago

No, that is not the definition of control, sorry. I am not trying to downplay their responsibility, honestly, I am just trying to speak properly. And that is just a biological fact.

smolder 4y ago
This "biological fact" about men having less control over their sexual behavior is new to me. I hate to do the "citation needed" thing, but where are you getting this from? What's the empirical evidence? Do you mean because women pick their mates or something like that? The males have to attract them with displays of plumage?
- consp 4y ago
  I agree with your citation needed. There are many culture which wave away responsibility of men for choosing their actions since it "is in their nature". My guess is that it's modeled behavior by the society they live in (and thus can be changed) but I have no sources.

concordDance 4y ago

Does a male have a higher sex drive? Are they more likely to rape? If yes, then women have, in the aggregate, more control over their sexual behaviour than men. And thus men have less control. This does not necesarily imply anything about what the punishment for rape or assault should be. Note: I am eliding a lot of what the definition of a person is (e.g. everything contained in their skin? Just concious processes? Some form of "natural" baseline that excludes tumors/drugs/etc?) in the above so YMMV. I recommend using "I agree with the denotation but disagree with connotation/affect" for situations like replying to the grandparent post.

mygoodaccount 4y ago
>Does a male have a higher sex drive? Yes. Sex drive has a lot to do with T levels. Woman's sex drive is at her highest when her T is highest (ovulating). >More likely to rape Yes. Rape requires physicality. Most women are incapable of raping a man, without drugs or a gun. All this to say, I'm not sure what the point of the subthread is.