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in the last election they had a load of debates all around Europe with the prospective leaders of the commission, with what their plans for their term were, wha

in the last election they had a load of debates all around Europe with the prospective leaders of the commission, with what their plans for their term were, what they wanted to achieve, etc guess who ended up being appointed leader? someone who didn't take part and wasn't even part of the process it's a complete farce, and the powerless parliament is only there to give the entire the thing the appearance of being democratic

gambiting 4y ago
>> and the powerless parliament is only there to give the entire the thing the appearance of being democratic What makes you say it's powerless? I'm genuienly curious. In my opinion it's the comission that is completely powerless - it can't do anything without the parliment agreeing, and the parliment is under no obligation to agree with them.
- blibble 4y ago
  it's the only legislature in the world that can't legislate
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Well that's a contradiction - if it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? If you mean that the "laws"(they aren't laws technically) don't apply anywhere until actually accepted and adopted by the EU member states - then yes, that's very much by design.
    - blibble 4y ago
      > Well that's a contradiction - if it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? yes, that's the point
    - zajio1am 4y ago
      > If it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? The EU parliament votes on new EU 'laws' as a part of ordinary legislative procedure. It can reject laws or amend them. But contrast to national parliaments, it cannot propose new laws. The truth is that even on national level, most laws are proposed to parliament by government, not by MPs. > If you mean that the "laws"(they aren't laws technically) don't apply anywhere until actually accepted and adopted by the EU member states - then yes, that's very much by design. That is not true, there are directives and regulations (as EU 'laws'). Regulations apply directly, without any adoption by members states. Directives have to be adopted, but member states are required to adopt them and in some border cases they apply even if not adopted.
    - mike_hearn 4y ago
      if it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? Correct. The EU Parliament calls itself a Parliament, but isn't.

gambiting 4y ago

>> and the powerless parliament is only there to give the entire the thing the appearance of being democratic What makes you say it's powerless? I'm genuienly curious. In my opinion it's the comission that is completely powerless - it can't do anything without the parliment agreeing, and the parliment is under no obligation to agree with them.

blibble 4y ago
it's the only legislature in the world that can't legislate
- gambiting 4y ago
  Well that's a contradiction - if it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? If you mean that the "laws"(they aren't laws technically) don't apply anywhere until actually accepted and adopted by the EU member states - then yes, that's very much by design.
  - blibble 4y ago
    > Well that's a contradiction - if it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? yes, that's the point
  - zajio1am 4y ago
    > If it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? The EU parliament votes on new EU 'laws' as a part of ordinary legislative procedure. It can reject laws or amend them. But contrast to national parliaments, it cannot propose new laws. The truth is that even on national level, most laws are proposed to parliament by government, not by MPs. > If you mean that the "laws"(they aren't laws technically) don't apply anywhere until actually accepted and adopted by the EU member states - then yes, that's very much by design. That is not true, there are directives and regulations (as EU 'laws'). Regulations apply directly, without any adoption by members states. Directives have to be adopted, but member states are required to adopt them and in some border cases they apply even if not adopted.
  - mike_hearn 4y ago
    if it can't legislate, then it's not a legislature, is it? Correct. The EU Parliament calls itself a Parliament, but isn't.