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Welfare should rightly fund "survival" and "levelling the playing field" resources, but charity can offer more than that - it can offer quality of life and a se

Welfare should rightly fund "survival" and "levelling the playing field" resources, but charity can offer more than that - it can offer quality of life and a sense of community/belonging. It's nice to be around other people who are going through the same things, and people who support you. So I think charity will always have a role, both financially and socially.

nicoburns 4y ago
Publicly funded institutions such as libraries and community centres can also offer this. There’s no reason other than political ideology why welfare cannot fund these things too. Which isn’t to say there isn’t a place for charity.
- zozbot234 4y ago
  But of course there is a reason. A government-funded institution has no one with a stake in its long-term success. Its only goal is preserving itself and capturing more resources from the government. Small-scale philanthropy thus has a key role to play here. Funding for basic educational standards and a minimal social safety net is already a huge spending commitment for even the most successful governments, and it's not clear if "welfare" can expand beyond that.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    > A government-funded institution has no one with a stake in its long-term success. Its only goal is preserving itself and capturing more resources from the government. Why would you say that? By that logic a charitable institution has no one with a stake in it's long-term success. It's only goal is preserving itself and capturing more resources from donors. There's nothing about governments which makes them inherently incapable of hiring motivated staff. In my experience, government workers, be they school teachers, nurses, librarians, or community workers are often some of most highly motivated workers I have met. > it's not clear if "welfare" can expand beyond that. It is clear if you believe that such funding is available from philanthropic sources. It's just a question of who we wish to give control of those resources to.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > A government-funded institution has no one with a stake in its long-term success. Of course it has: pissed-off voters. Mismanaged government-funded institutions such as DMVs or social security systems are a regular troublemaker for politicians.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      Is this feedback process the explanation for why those previously underperforming and frequently complained about government departments have now been fixed?
      - Matl 4y ago
        > Is this feedback process the explanation for why those previously underperforming and frequently complained about government departments have now been fixed? Perhaps the constant demonizing of public services by private interests, (who btw often rely on government contracts to function), and certain politicians bought by these interests could be a contributing factor in why not? But let me hear about how private healthcare and broadband is killing it please.
        sokoloff 4y ago
        I think that's a lot of the issue: many people (including myself) are in fact happy with their private healthcare and broadband service. (I have Comcast, so it's not like I've even got the "best", but I'd way rather deal with Comcast or Blue Cross than any government agency...)
        nicoburns 4y ago
        Are you imagining a monolithic federal-level agency? Most municipal broadband schemes are run like small non-profit businesses that just happen to be publicly/community owned. Let me put it this way: Comcast is the only reason why a lot of the US doesn't have gigabit internet at cheap prices.
        default-kramer 4y ago
naravara 4y ago
Charity in the form of "the community is coming together to do something of common interest" sure. Charity in the form of "one rich guy writes a check because he felt like it" is too dependent on the capricious whims and priorities of a handful of rich people.

nicoburns 4y ago

Publicly funded institutions such as libraries and community centres can also offer this. There’s no reason other than political ideology why welfare cannot fund these things too. Which isn’t to say there isn’t a place for charity.

zozbot234 4y ago
But of course there is a reason. A government-funded institution has no one with a stake in its long-term success. Its only goal is preserving itself and capturing more resources from the government. Small-scale philanthropy thus has a key role to play here. Funding for basic educational standards and a minimal social safety net is already a huge spending commitment for even the most successful governments, and it's not clear if "welfare" can expand beyond that.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  > A government-funded institution has no one with a stake in its long-term success. Its only goal is preserving itself and capturing more resources from the government. Why would you say that? By that logic a charitable institution has no one with a stake in it's long-term success. It's only goal is preserving itself and capturing more resources from donors. There's nothing about governments which makes them inherently incapable of hiring motivated staff. In my experience, government workers, be they school teachers, nurses, librarians, or community workers are often some of most highly motivated workers I have met. > it's not clear if "welfare" can expand beyond that. It is clear if you believe that such funding is available from philanthropic sources. It's just a question of who we wish to give control of those resources to.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > A government-funded institution has no one with a stake in its long-term success. Of course it has: pissed-off voters. Mismanaged government-funded institutions such as DMVs or social security systems are a regular troublemaker for politicians.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Is this feedback process the explanation for why those previously underperforming and frequently complained about government departments have now been fixed?
    - Matl 4y ago
      > Is this feedback process the explanation for why those previously underperforming and frequently complained about government departments have now been fixed? Perhaps the constant demonizing of public services by private interests, (who btw often rely on government contracts to function), and certain politicians bought by these interests could be a contributing factor in why not? But let me hear about how private healthcare and broadband is killing it please.
      - sokoloff 4y ago
        I think that's a lot of the issue: many people (including myself) are in fact happy with their private healthcare and broadband service. (I have Comcast, so it's not like I've even got the "best", but I'd way rather deal with Comcast or Blue Cross than any government agency...)
        nicoburns 4y ago
        Are you imagining a monolithic federal-level agency? Most municipal broadband schemes are run like small non-profit businesses that just happen to be publicly/community owned. Let me put it this way: Comcast is the only reason why a lot of the US doesn't have gigabit internet at cheap prices.
        default-kramer 4y ago

naravara 4y ago

Charity in the form of "the community is coming together to do something of common interest" sure. Charity in the form of "one rich guy writes a check because he felt like it" is too dependent on the capricious whims and priorities of a handful of rich people.