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Hard to watch. Reminder me of the torturing at Guantánamo Bay detention camp.
by acgt 4y ago
Hard to watch. Reminder me of the torturing at Guantánamo Bay detention camp.
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- coffeeblack 4y agoHow so? It seems to be to completely different levels.
- dillondoyle 4y agoCompletely different scale, they are a government perpetrating genocide on their own citizens, could go on and on how they aren't the same. But the top photo of prisoner with hood and handcuffs and brutish looking military/security look very similar to some of the gross photos we saw of abuse at gitmo. Might be me putting too much emotion onto it but the guard with the bat looks like a smirk, like how the criminals at gitmo enjoyed abusing and taking those photos.
- DFHippie 4y agoI think you're confusing Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. It's the latter where sadistic guards took photos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... Ugh. The pictures in that article are horrendous. The "patriots" will say (and in fact do say -- see the linked article about Lyndie England) that the real crime is not the acts committed but making them public. The same is true of course in China with Tiananmen Square or in Russia with the current military operation. It's funny how self-declared patriots seem to specialize in making the rest of the world hate and revile their country.
- dillondoyle 4y agoI am you're right ;( Sad that you can confuse those. the photos from gitmo aren't nearly as bad, probably because there aren't many. Most I've seen are just those through the fence photos, again looks too similar to China's concentration camps.
- DFHippie 4y agoAlso I think there are a lot more eyes on Gitmo. At Abu Ghraib a lot was entrusted to people with little vetting.
- gbear605 4y agoThe torture seems similar, but the scale is completely different. In Xinjiang, it’s been at least 1.2 million people making up a sizable portion of all Uighur Muslims. That’s compared to around 800 people in Guantanamo Bay (and only about 40 remaining there). Guantanamo Bay is completely horrible and should never have happened, but it wasn’t genocide.
- coffeeblack 4y agoHow is the torture “similar”?
- thematrixturtle 4y agoDid you see the photo of hundreds of hooded and shackled people kneeling out in the sun?
- trasz 4y agoCan you point me to the documents describing systemic (EDIT: Systemic, as opposed to a crime committed by a rogue prison guard) torture in those “camps”? Guantanamo is indeed different, because it was only used for people to extract information from - vast majority of “war against terrorism” victims have been simply killed instead.
- md_ 4y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071
- trasz 4y agoYou will find similar testimonies about prisons in western countries. It’s sad, but unavoidable due to scale.
- signatoremo 4y agoCare to show those similar testimonies so we can compare?
- signatoremo 4y agoIf a Xinjiang “education camp”, where regular people are jailed and tortured, reminds you of Guantanamo, imagine how much more brutal the likes of Chinese Guantanamo would be, places where dissidents, falling political rivals of the current leadership or those deemed the state’s enemies are imprisoned.
- kstenerud 4y agoCan we please stop with the whataboutism? It only serves to detract from the conversation, and HN mostly shuns disingenuous discussion tactics.