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Gut feeling might be ok for an individual. I trust statistics over a single anecdote or sensational news articles. How are we supposed to judge and regulate t

Gut feeling might be ok for an individual. I trust statistics over a single anecdote or sensational news articles. How are we supposed to judge and regulate the safety of mass produced vehicles?

bmitc 4y ago
Accurate statistics are hard to come by because of the way Tesla does business and markets themselves. For the longest time, they only allowed repairs done by them. I think that's been reduced a little? Not sure. There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty or not at all if the warranty period was over. This mislabeling misleads, if only internally and to investors about how much warranty work they're doing. There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them.
- svet_0 4y ago
  > There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty I call BS, got any source for that? Tesla has cash reserves for warranties (as most companies do), it would be stupid financially not to use them, and waste "real" money instead. > There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them. Like what?
  - bmitc 4y ago
    Just search "tesla goodwill warranty", and you'll find several articles and reports, including first hand ones from Tesla owners.
    - svet_0 4y ago
      Seems like another unbased short sellers conspiracy: > Ultimately, math doesn’t lie. If we are going to find fraud, the math should add up to at least justify the reason for the fraud. As far as I can tell, and as far as a warranty expert can tell, Tesla’s numbers don’t support the company doing any sort of fraud with this. I cannot find proof of the supposed “widespread” issue of repairs being mislabeled as goodwill. And the only things I can seem to find that are even questionable wouldn’t have a benefit from a safety standpoint, thus not lending credence to the theory that Tesla is avoiding NHTSA scrutiny. (https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-warranty-accounting-mystery-exploring-the-goodwill-theory/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-war...)

Gut feeling might be ok for an individual. I trust statistics over a single anecdote or sensational news articles. How are we supposed to judge and regulate the safety of mass produced vehicles?

bmitc 4y ago

Accurate statistics are hard to come by because of the way Tesla does business and markets themselves. For the longest time, they only allowed repairs done by them. I think that's been reduced a little? Not sure. There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty or not at all if the warranty period was over. This mislabeling misleads, if only internally and to investors about how much warranty work they're doing. There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them.

svet_0 4y ago
> There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty I call BS, got any source for that? Tesla has cash reserves for warranties (as most companies do), it would be stupid financially not to use them, and waste "real" money instead. > There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them. Like what?
- bmitc 4y ago
  Just search "tesla goodwill warranty", and you'll find several articles and reports, including first hand ones from Tesla owners.
  - svet_0 4y ago
    Seems like another unbased short sellers conspiracy: > Ultimately, math doesn’t lie. If we are going to find fraud, the math should add up to at least justify the reason for the fraud. As far as I can tell, and as far as a warranty expert can tell, Tesla’s numbers don’t support the company doing any sort of fraud with this. I cannot find proof of the supposed “widespread” issue of repairs being mislabeled as goodwill. And the only things I can seem to find that are even questionable wouldn’t have a benefit from a safety standpoint, thus not lending credence to the theory that Tesla is avoiding NHTSA scrutiny. (https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-warranty-accounting-mystery-exploring-the-goodwill-theory/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-war...)