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I always like how Teslas are apparently so ahead of every other car, but yet, when something goes wrong with them, statistical gymnastics are pulled to say they

by bmitc 4y ago

I always like how Teslas are apparently so ahead of every other car, but yet, when something goes wrong with them, statistical gymnastics are pulled to say they're no worse that combustion cars, as can be seen in this thread. So which is it? In my opinion, Teslas are low quality, maintenance nightmares and even look dated. I've been seeing Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 cars on the road in the past month, and they're jaw dropping when driving by. And a look into their features and functionality shows high quality and well thought out interior designs that don't use coolness factor as their only design constraint.

stephenitis 4y ago
Gut feeling might be ok for an individual. I trust statistics over a single anecdote or sensational news articles. How are we supposed to judge and regulate the safety of mass produced vehicles?
- bmitc 4y ago
  Accurate statistics are hard to come by because of the way Tesla does business and markets themselves. For the longest time, they only allowed repairs done by them. I think that's been reduced a little? Not sure. There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty or not at all if the warranty period was over. This mislabeling misleads, if only internally and to investors about how much warranty work they're doing. There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them.
  - svet_0 4y ago
    > There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty I call BS, got any source for that? Tesla has cash reserves for warranties (as most companies do), it would be stupid financially not to use them, and waste "real" money instead. > There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them. Like what?
    - bmitc 4y ago
      Just search "tesla goodwill warranty", and you'll find several articles and reports, including first hand ones from Tesla owners.
      - svet_0 4y ago
        Seems like another unbased short sellers conspiracy: > Ultimately, math doesn’t lie. If we are going to find fraud, the math should add up to at least justify the reason for the fraud. As far as I can tell, and as far as a warranty expert can tell, Tesla’s numbers don’t support the company doing any sort of fraud with this. I cannot find proof of the supposed “widespread” issue of repairs being mislabeled as goodwill. And the only things I can seem to find that are even questionable wouldn’t have a benefit from a safety standpoint, thus not lending credence to the theory that Tesla is avoiding NHTSA scrutiny. (https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-warranty-accounting-mystery-exploring-the-goodwill-theory/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-war...)

by bmitc 4y ago

stephenitis 4y ago

Gut feeling might be ok for an individual. I trust statistics over a single anecdote or sensational news articles. How are we supposed to judge and regulate the safety of mass produced vehicles?

bmitc 4y ago
Accurate statistics are hard to come by because of the way Tesla does business and markets themselves. For the longest time, they only allowed repairs done by them. I think that's been reduced a little? Not sure. There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty or not at all if the warranty period was over. This mislabeling misleads, if only internally and to investors about how much warranty work they're doing. There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them.
- svet_0 4y ago
  > There were reports of Tesla logging repairs as "goodwill" repairs and replacements, when they should have really been done under warranty I call BS, got any source for that? Tesla has cash reserves for warranties (as most companies do), it would be stupid financially not to use them, and waste "real" money instead. > There's several other things like this were Tesla has first hand manipulated data to benefit them. Like what?
  - bmitc 4y ago
    Just search "tesla goodwill warranty", and you'll find several articles and reports, including first hand ones from Tesla owners.
    - svet_0 4y ago
      Seems like another unbased short sellers conspiracy: > Ultimately, math doesn’t lie. If we are going to find fraud, the math should add up to at least justify the reason for the fraud. As far as I can tell, and as far as a warranty expert can tell, Tesla’s numbers don’t support the company doing any sort of fraud with this. I cannot find proof of the supposed “widespread” issue of repairs being mislabeled as goodwill. And the only things I can seem to find that are even questionable wouldn’t have a benefit from a safety standpoint, thus not lending credence to the theory that Tesla is avoiding NHTSA scrutiny. (https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-warranty-accounting-mystery-exploring-the-goodwill-theory/ https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/18/re-tesla-tsla-has-a-war...)