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Heavier: True, but only by 0.24 lbs, an 8% increase. Thicker: I'll give you this - that said I've always wondered why this feature matters. Sure it looks nice
by usaar333 15y ago
Heavier: True, but only by 0.24 lbs, an 8% increase.
Thicker: I'll give you this - that said I've always wondered why this feature matters. Sure it looks nice, but from a usability standpoint - well, in my entire life of using laptops, I have found laptops too heavy, but never too thick. Honest question: why is it worth the premium - and loss of user customization - to be so thin?
Design:
Magsafe: Agreed.
Bluetooth: Agreed, but dongles are extremely cheap
Thunderbolt: An issue, but so few devices use it currently that there is a good chance it won't be that much of a problem over the life of the laptop.
Unibody: Debatable if that is even a good thing. I searched in vain for studies that show a unibody laptop is sturdier or more durable; do you know of any? I am guessing that any fall strong enough to start making a difference would already be enough to crack the screen. The huge downside is the difficulty of opening the thing up (no replaceable battery?!!)
Multi-touch: The toshiba site claims "multi touch control". I have no idea what that means, though I doubt it is to the level of what os/x offers.
Crapware: This really isn't that much - most of those are useful programs. That said, I'll admit I completely ignore such lists, as I just reformat and install Linux anyway. :)
That said, one can fault the air as well when comparing it:
-Shorter battery life
-No replaceable battery (making shorter battery life even worse)
-Significantly slower processor (1.7 versus 2.4 ghz)
-Less RAM (4GB versus 6)
-Impossible to swap hard-drives
-No dvd drive
-Based on amazon's current pricing, costs $500 more. ($800 vs. $1300). (http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Portege-R835-P81-13-3-Inch-Laptop/dp/tech-data/B005KP070I/ http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Portege-R835-P81-13-3-Inch-Lap... versus http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MacBook-MC965LL-13-3-Inch-VERSION/dp/B005CWHZP4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1319446070&sr=1-2 http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MacBook-MC965LL-13-3-Inch-VERSIO...)
While they aren't the same laptop, they are closely spec'd with different trade-offs. In reviews, Toshiba's is often compared to the Air. (http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-portege-r835-p56x/4505-3121_7-34449812.html http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-portege-r835-p56x/45... http://www.pcmag.com/article/print/263220 http://www.pcmag.com/article/print/263220). The R835 is certainly an example of a company producing a competing product to Apple without much quality loss but at a vastly lower (40% cheaper w/out SSD; 27% w/ SSD) price.
- dextorious 15y ago> Honest question: why is it worth the premium - and loss of user customization - to be so thin? Well, we're talking about Air style laptops here. Extreme portability is kind of the requirement, and thin helps. I also see the loss of "user customization" as a good thing, I want the laptop to be "fire and forget", like those distraction free writing environment. > Unibody: Debatable if that is even a good thing. I searched in vain for studies that show a unibody laptop is sturdier or more durable; do you know of any? No, but I've owned many plastic laptops --including Toshiba's and Apple's-- and a few metal ones, and it feels obviously sturdier at hand. Remove points of failure, such as joints, is a good thing. I had many laptops "break", or slightly open, at the joints between sides, something that cannot happen in a MBP. > Shorter battery life I'm not sure about this. Apple tends to report expected battery life damn accurately, while other companies are off by 20-30% or even more (based on tons of reviews I've read). Could this be the case here? > -Less RAM (4GB versus 6) The specs on the cnet page say 4 GB, ?? > -No dvd drive I think this falls in the "no floppy disk" category though.
- usaar333 15y agoSorry, CNET review is for older model. Amazon link shows 6 GB. On battery life, PC Mag[1] claims 9:30 against the 2010 Macbook Air's 5:35 - I believe that dominates even the 2011 Air. [1]http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383651,00.asp#fbid=fiUyKaVrQjg http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383651,00.asp#fbid=fiU...