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Vaccines either produce side effects in 3-6 months or they don't. There's no hidden time bomb in all the people who were vaccinated last year. The FDA doesn't

Vaccines either produce side effects in 3-6 months or they don't. There's no hidden time bomb in all the people who were vaccinated last year. The FDA doesn't require long term safety studies for vaccines, and all the coronavirus vaccines have met the requirements. Nothing has been rushed. We have a good understanding of this because the side effects are entirely dominated by autoimmune conditions, and we understand from the field of rheumatology how those arise. We don't need to study pregnant women for another 5 years to see if any more babies pop out after the first one. Pregnancy is done in 9 months. Autoimmune side effects from vaccines happen in 3-6.

lamontcg 4y ago
> This complex, specific and intricate process spans a number of months. Ultimately, though, in the absence of further stimulation by new copies of the spike protein, the immune response settles down, and effector cells—those directly and transiently involved in fighting the virus—decrease in frequency. Instead memory cells are established, poised to quickly ramp up production of antibodies, and even to replicate themselves, settling into their biological niches in our bodies until called upon once more if we happen to get infected. (This is what confers immunity to the coronavirus over the long run.) Antibody concentrations, some weeks after immunization, begin to reach their peak concentration in our blood, ultimately plateauing and beginning their slow decline. After this point, the risk of severe immunization-related complications doesn’t increase. Quite the opposite, in fact: it declines to virtually nothing after about three months. The six-month endpoint for these products is thus a rather conservative timeframe. Forget five or ten years: the way your immune system works does not allow for such long-term safety concerns. https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argument-over-covid-19-vaccines/ https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argum...
XorNot 4y ago
It is wild how heavily downvoted this is. Everything in this comment is correct (I also note none of the downvotes could be bothered to present any rebuttal to the claims).
- blindmute 4y ago
  It's unfalsifiable. "We don't know of any way this could happen, thus it will not happen" is not a claim that can be rebutted until it is proven wrong. "We don't have any reason to believe thalidomide is unsafe" was another such claim.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    "This has never happened before in the recorded history of rheumatology and immunology" is the claim, backed up with pretty well fleshed out mechanistic theories of what happens during vaccination and how the body responds to it. It also is falsifiable. Find the side effect that falsifies it. And it has survived the prior testing of 100 years of vaccination.
    - blindmute 4y ago
      The past 100 years of vaccination were not MRNA vaccines, and while their safety profile may be similar or the same, that cannot yet be known.
      - lamontcg 4y ago
        They actually can, they're not a brand new never before seen kind of magic. They're using mechanisms that viruses and vaccines have used and which we've studied for hundreds of years. We don't actually know nothing about them.
        blindmute 4y ago
        Covid vaccines have already had multiple recalls due to unforeseen heart complications. These complications were, of course, "impossible" before they began occurring. You cannot, by definition, foresee what unforeseen complications may arise with anything. Especially something as quickly made and widely disseminated as these vaccines. There may not be any "known" way a side effect could occur after 6 months. That does not philosophically mean anything about a risk existing. A lot, and I mean a lot, of medications have no side effects until you take them for years, and then suddenly there are issues. Adderall use is correlated with Parkinsons if you take it for over a decade. Some of these are foreseeable, and some were "no known way it could happen" until it did.

lamontcg 4y ago

> This complex, specific and intricate process spans a number of months. Ultimately, though, in the absence of further stimulation by new copies of the spike protein, the immune response settles down, and effector cells—those directly and transiently involved in fighting the virus—decrease in frequency. Instead memory cells are established, poised to quickly ramp up production of antibodies, and even to replicate themselves, settling into their biological niches in our bodies until called upon once more if we happen to get infected. (This is what confers immunity to the coronavirus over the long run.) Antibody concentrations, some weeks after immunization, begin to reach their peak concentration in our blood, ultimately plateauing and beginning their slow decline. After this point, the risk of severe immunization-related complications doesn’t increase. Quite the opposite, in fact: it declines to virtually nothing after about three months. The six-month endpoint for these products is thus a rather conservative timeframe. Forget five or ten years: the way your immune system works does not allow for such long-term safety concerns. https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argument-over-covid-19-vaccines/ https://bostonreview.net/articles/the-long-term-safety-argum...

XorNot 4y ago

It is wild how heavily downvoted this is. Everything in this comment is correct (I also note none of the downvotes could be bothered to present any rebuttal to the claims).

blindmute 4y ago
It's unfalsifiable. "We don't know of any way this could happen, thus it will not happen" is not a claim that can be rebutted until it is proven wrong. "We don't have any reason to believe thalidomide is unsafe" was another such claim.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  "This has never happened before in the recorded history of rheumatology and immunology" is the claim, backed up with pretty well fleshed out mechanistic theories of what happens during vaccination and how the body responds to it. It also is falsifiable. Find the side effect that falsifies it. And it has survived the prior testing of 100 years of vaccination.
  - blindmute 4y ago
    The past 100 years of vaccination were not MRNA vaccines, and while their safety profile may be similar or the same, that cannot yet be known.
    - lamontcg 4y ago
      They actually can, they're not a brand new never before seen kind of magic. They're using mechanisms that viruses and vaccines have used and which we've studied for hundreds of years. We don't actually know nothing about them.
      - blindmute 4y ago
        Covid vaccines have already had multiple recalls due to unforeseen heart complications. These complications were, of course, "impossible" before they began occurring. You cannot, by definition, foresee what unforeseen complications may arise with anything. Especially something as quickly made and widely disseminated as these vaccines. There may not be any "known" way a side effect could occur after 6 months. That does not philosophically mean anything about a risk existing. A lot, and I mean a lot, of medications have no side effects until you take them for years, and then suddenly there are issues. Adderall use is correlated with Parkinsons if you take it for over a decade. Some of these are foreseeable, and some were "no known way it could happen" until it did.