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When I re-read your comment a second time I can see what your intent was a lot better. In this case it looks like we do agree and you raise a lot of good points

by _gabe_ 4y ago

When I re-read your comment a second time I can see what your intent was a lot better. In this case it looks like we do agree and you raise a lot of good points. I do wonder whether we need to ask the question whether the cost is on society for raising the child though. Why can't we promote safe sex more? And if two consenting adults decide to not use condoms or any other birth control, should the impetus be on them instead of society in general (condom failures and other birth control mishaps aside)? But that's a separate argument and not part of what we were talking about here. I think reading through a lot of these other comments definitely got to me, and put me in a negative emotional state by the time I got to your comment. But after a couple hours, and re-reading your comments it seems like you're taking a well balanced approach, and I think that I could learn a thing or two from that :)

dotnet00 4y ago
I'm certainly in favor of promoting more safe sex (I would go as far as to say that this should be an important part of any abortion legalization policy) and I generally do agree that consenting adults should be responsible if they don't use protection. But the issue to me is that often it ends up also punishing the child, and while aborting the child is also a punishment for the child, I think it's the more acceptable solution since I don't really see a societal and cultural push (especially from the people generally pushing for an abortion ban) for alternative solutions for raising children not wanted by their parents. After all, no matter how much we teach safe sex, some people will still make mistakes and often pro-lifers treat having to raise the child as a fitting punishment for the parents, which obviously isn't all that respectful of the child's life either. And yes, I can understand getting into that mindset, which is why I generally avoid these discussions (on reddit for example) :) It gets pretty frustrating to see people emotionally arguing for extreme positions without attempting to at least understand the other position's emotions.

by _gabe_ 4y ago

dotnet00 4y ago

I'm certainly in favor of promoting more safe sex (I would go as far as to say that this should be an important part of any abortion legalization policy) and I generally do agree that consenting adults should be responsible if they don't use protection. But the issue to me is that often it ends up also punishing the child, and while aborting the child is also a punishment for the child, I think it's the more acceptable solution since I don't really see a societal and cultural push (especially from the people generally pushing for an abortion ban) for alternative solutions for raising children not wanted by their parents. After all, no matter how much we teach safe sex, some people will still make mistakes and often pro-lifers treat having to raise the child as a fitting punishment for the parents, which obviously isn't all that respectful of the child's life either. And yes, I can understand getting into that mindset, which is why I generally avoid these discussions (on reddit for example) :) It gets pretty frustrating to see people emotionally arguing for extreme positions without attempting to at least understand the other position's emotions.