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That's been stated a number of places, but it's an inaccurate analysis, likely stemming from confusing a tracking radar (and missing that a Slava-class cruiser
by ckozlowski 4y ago
That's been stated a number of places, but it's an inaccurate analysis, likely stemming from confusing a tracking radar (and missing that a Slava-class cruiser has several) from the search radar (360). From an article:
>There’s also some other speculation suggesting that “Moskva has/had a single main air defence radar (3P41 Volna) for guiding S300 missiles, which has only a 180 degree field of view. Therefore, 360-degree coverage is provided by the 3-D long-range air search radars MR -800 Voshkod/Top Pair for short-range missiles SA -8.” The claim reveals that the Top Pair radar couldn’t distinguish the Neptunes flying over the sea from the crests of the waves due to the stormy weather.
These claims lack a solid basis, as the ship in question is a cruiser with good air defense capabilities. Although TB2 drones are very useful in naval warfare, cruiser-type ships are designed to track and repel multiple air contacts. As a result, paralyzing a Slava-class cruiser with one or more drones is unrealistic.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/04/analysis-chain-of-negligence-caused-the-loss-of-the-moskva-cruiser/ https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/04/analysis-chain-...
>Though it makes for a compelling tale, this narrative is almost certain to be false. Not only are the radars and their operators onboard a warship like the Moskva more than capable of detecting and tracking more than just a single target, and would in fact do so virtually automatically so long as they were operating, but if they were in fact tracking a drone then situational awareness should have been at at a higher level than if the attack had occurred out of the blue.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/neptunes-wrath-flagship-moskvas-demise.html https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/neptunes-wrath-flagshi...
On paper, a Slava-Class cruiser should have no issues tracking a drone and plenty of other incoming missiles and aircraft. That was in fact, the scenario it was designed to face. I suspect there's just simply too much we don't know and too many unanswered questions. There's a lot that would have to work correctly for the Neptunes to be targeted, from the search radar, handoff to tracking radar, and then successful intercepts by the medium tier SAMs and if not those, the CWIS. There's plenty that can go wrong. And keep in mind, there have been very few successful AShM intercepts in history.
If the full story ever gets told, it will be read by many, I'm sure.
- kmonsen 4y agoThanks, appreciate the detailed reply!
- ckozlowski 4y agoWelcome!
- chipsa 4y ago> cruiser-type ships are designed to track and repel multiple air contacts Not your text, but that assumes a design focus that is not in evidence. It's a necessary focus for a USN cruiser, but that consideration isn't necessarily the case for a USSR designed cruiser, especially if the translation isn't one to one.
- ckozlowski 4y agoThe S-300 Fort installation practically implies it, as this is an area air defense system and not strictly a self-defense or point-defense system. With three layers of air defense, anti-air is a primary mission of these ships. Compare this to a contemporary like the Sovremenny, which carries only medium range SAMs and point-defense. I agree that the primary mission of USN cruisers and USSR ones are different, but the Slava-class is designed for area air defense, bot for itself and for the rest of it's surface group.