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Good on them. From my experience, QA, especially game QA is looked down upon by leadership and developers - peers - alike. Collective bargaining can only help t

Good on them. From my experience, QA, especially game QA is looked down upon by leadership and developers - peers - alike. Collective bargaining can only help them.

TameAntelope 4y ago
I really try to be understanding, but my time in QA, working with QA as a dev, and then organizing testers on a team has not left me with many favorable memories.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  In what sense? With the company treatment of QA? QA team behavior?
bsnal 4y ago
Well, QA is what it is.
- JaimeThompson 4y ago
  That doesn't mean they have to be treated like lesser beings.
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    No one in the org should be tested as lesser beings as a matter of civility.
  - yesbut 4y ago
    i'm just happy to see unionization spreading. there have been a lot of victories in the news lately. more unions please.
seneca 4y ago
> From my experience, QA, especially game QA is looked down upon by leadership and developers - peers - alike. If you have a dedicated QA team that is staffed by people who don't write software, those people are at best technicians. They are not peers of the engineers, they're a different job function with a much much lower barrier to entry. They're closer to the customer support team than they are to engineering. That's not to say that they are somehow undeserving of basic respect. They are (as are support personnel), but given the choice between QA and engineering, almost anyone would choose engineering. The reason QAs aren't on engineering teams is that they can't pass the interviews. The inverse is not true. None of that is to bash QA. But pretending they're peers of engineering and lamenting that they aren't treated as equals is just based on a fantasy.
- mrpopo 4y ago
  > But pretending they're peers of engineering and lamenting that they aren't treated as equals is just based on a fantasy. You have just built an elaborate strawman. No one argued for equal rights/equal salary/equal treatment of QA people with their dev peers. They are just looking for better work conditions and better job security.
  - cr__ 4y ago
    I’m definitely arguing for equal rights and treatment for them (??????)
    - mrpopo 4y ago
      Erm, yeah, not sure what my intent was, but that was not the right wording. We should definitely fight for equal rights and treatment of workers.
- wincy 4y ago
  In my experience a QA is to an engineer what a nurse is to a doctor. They take measurements and can have a good eye for what might be going on, but they don’t know the code. A QA automation engineer is more like a nurse practitioner. It doesn’t mean they aren’t smart but if they could write code they would, unless you’re working somewhere that compensates QAs and engineers the same (which I’ve never seen). Had a QA coworker try to learn to code and he just couldn’t quite get it.

Good on them. From my experience, QA, especially game QA is looked down upon by leadership and developers - peers - alike. Collective bargaining can only help them.

TameAntelope 4y ago

I really try to be understanding, but my time in QA, working with QA as a dev, and then organizing testers on a team has not left me with many favorable memories.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
In what sense? With the company treatment of QA? QA team behavior?

bsnal 4y ago

Well, QA is what it is.

JaimeThompson 4y ago
That doesn't mean they have to be treated like lesser beings.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  No one in the org should be tested as lesser beings as a matter of civility.
- yesbut 4y ago
  i'm just happy to see unionization spreading. there have been a lot of victories in the news lately. more unions please.

seneca 4y ago

> From my experience, QA, especially game QA is looked down upon by leadership and developers - peers - alike. If you have a dedicated QA team that is staffed by people who don't write software, those people are at best technicians. They are not peers of the engineers, they're a different job function with a much much lower barrier to entry. They're closer to the customer support team than they are to engineering. That's not to say that they are somehow undeserving of basic respect. They are (as are support personnel), but given the choice between QA and engineering, almost anyone would choose engineering. The reason QAs aren't on engineering teams is that they can't pass the interviews. The inverse is not true. None of that is to bash QA. But pretending they're peers of engineering and lamenting that they aren't treated as equals is just based on a fantasy.

mrpopo 4y ago
> But pretending they're peers of engineering and lamenting that they aren't treated as equals is just based on a fantasy. You have just built an elaborate strawman. No one argued for equal rights/equal salary/equal treatment of QA people with their dev peers. They are just looking for better work conditions and better job security.
- cr__ 4y ago
  I’m definitely arguing for equal rights and treatment for them (??????)
  - mrpopo 4y ago
    Erm, yeah, not sure what my intent was, but that was not the right wording. We should definitely fight for equal rights and treatment of workers.
wincy 4y ago
In my experience a QA is to an engineer what a nurse is to a doctor. They take measurements and can have a good eye for what might be going on, but they don’t know the code. A QA automation engineer is more like a nurse practitioner. It doesn’t mean they aren’t smart but if they could write code they would, unless you’re working somewhere that compensates QAs and engineers the same (which I’ve never seen). Had a QA coworker try to learn to code and he just couldn’t quite get it.