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>Could skewing search results, i.e. hiding the bias of the real world Your logic seems to rest on this assumption which I don't think is justified. "Skewing se

by slg 4y ago

>Could skewing search results, i.e. hiding the bias of the real world Your logic seems to rest on this assumption which I don't think is justified. "Skewing search results" is not the same as "hiding the biases of the real world". Showing the most statistically likely result is not the same as showing the world how it truly is. A generic nurse is statistically going to be female most of the time. However, a model that returns every nurse as female is not showing the real world as it is. It is exaggerating and reinforcing the bias of the real world. It inherently requires a more advanced model to actually represent the real world. I think it is reasonable for the creators to avoid sharing models known to not be smart enough to avoid exaggerating real world biases.

robocat 4y ago
> I think it is reasonable for the creators to avoid sharing models known to not be smart enough to avoid exaggerating real world biases. Every model will have some random biases. Some of those random biases will undesirably exaggerate the real world. Every model will undesirably exaggerate something. Therefore no model should be shared. Your goal is nice, but impractical?
- slg 4y ago
  Fittingly, your comment fails into the same criticism I had of the model. It shows a refusal/inability to engage with the full complexities of the situation. I said "It is reasonable... to avoid sharing models". That is an acknowledged that the creators are acting reasonably. It does not imply anything as extreme as "no model should be shared". The only way to get from A to B there is for you to assume that I think there is only one reasonable response and every other possible reaction is unreasonable. Doesn't that seem like a silly assumption?
  - robocat 4y ago
    “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
- barneygale 4y ago
  > Your goal is nice, but impractical? If the only way to do AI is to encode racism etc, then we shouldn't be doing AI at all.

by slg 4y ago

robocat 4y ago

> I think it is reasonable for the creators to avoid sharing models known to not be smart enough to avoid exaggerating real world biases. Every model will have some random biases. Some of those random biases will undesirably exaggerate the real world. Every model will undesirably exaggerate something. Therefore no model should be shared. Your goal is nice, but impractical?

slg 4y ago
Fittingly, your comment fails into the same criticism I had of the model. It shows a refusal/inability to engage with the full complexities of the situation. I said "It is reasonable... to avoid sharing models". That is an acknowledged that the creators are acting reasonably. It does not imply anything as extreme as "no model should be shared". The only way to get from A to B there is for you to assume that I think there is only one reasonable response and every other possible reaction is unreasonable. Doesn't that seem like a silly assumption?
- robocat 4y ago
  “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
barneygale 4y ago
> Your goal is nice, but impractical? If the only way to do AI is to encode racism etc, then we shouldn't be doing AI at all.