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You might want to speak with the slightest shred of factual basis before you embarrass yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_convicted_of_f

You might want to speak with the slightest shred of factual basis before you embarrass yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_convicted_of_felony_offenses_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_convicted_of... >Volkswagen AG (VW) has agreed to plead guilty to three criminal felony counts https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/volkswagen-ag-agrees-plead-guilty-and-pay-43-billion-criminal-and-civil-penalties-six https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/volkswagen-ag-agrees-plead-gu... >A four-count felony criminal information was filed today in federal court in the Eastern District of New York charging HSBC with willfully failing to maintain an effective anti-money laundering (AML) program, https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/bae-systems-plc-pleads-guilty-and-ordered-pay-400-million-criminal-fine https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/bae-systems-plc-pleads-guilty... >Q. Can a corporation be held criminally liable in the same way as an individual can be held liable? >A. Yes. A corporation can be prosecuted for essentially all of the same crimes as individuals and, if proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, convicted of felonies and misdemeanors. https://www.mololamken.com/assets/htmldocuments/FAQs%20-%20Corporate%20Criminal%20Liability.pdf https://www.mololamken.com/assets/htmldocuments/FAQs%20-%20C... In quite a few criminal cases, but not all, the company was charged without any individual being held criminally liable.

lazide 4y ago
I think their point is 'and then what happened'. You can't put a company in jail, and no one uses the corporate death penalty anymore it seems. PG&E got criminally convicted, and they just got a fine like they usually do.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Which brings me back to: >If there is no company then why don't individuals become felons when a company is convicted of a felony?
  - lazide 4y ago
    It is possible for many people to commit individual acts that when done alone are not a felony, but when combined as part of an organization are. Convicting a mid-level manager of murder because he turned a valve on, when they to the best of their knowledge, had no idea it would result in 100 people dying in a fire would also not be justice - at least if the necessary records got lost by some lower level functionary somewhere else, and it never got fixed because an exec somewhere was prioritizing some other work elsewhere without having the records of how bad it was. PG&E has 26,000 employees. Even with as screwed up as it is, the problem is the organization itself. Putting all 26k people in jail doesn't solve the problem either.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      But then that breaks OP's model of "there is no company."

lazide 4y ago

I think their point is 'and then what happened'. You can't put a company in jail, and no one uses the corporate death penalty anymore it seems. PG&E got criminally convicted, and they just got a fine like they usually do.

notch656a 4y ago
Which brings me back to: >If there is no company then why don't individuals become felons when a company is convicted of a felony?
- lazide 4y ago
  It is possible for many people to commit individual acts that when done alone are not a felony, but when combined as part of an organization are. Convicting a mid-level manager of murder because he turned a valve on, when they to the best of their knowledge, had no idea it would result in 100 people dying in a fire would also not be justice - at least if the necessary records got lost by some lower level functionary somewhere else, and it never got fixed because an exec somewhere was prioritizing some other work elsewhere without having the records of how bad it was. PG&E has 26,000 employees. Even with as screwed up as it is, the problem is the organization itself. Putting all 26k people in jail doesn't solve the problem either.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    But then that breaks OP's model of "there is no company."