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Will there be a new mass-vaccination and contact-tracing on our phones? Will Astra Zeneca's large vaccine factory suddenly burst into flames when they are abou

Will there be a new mass-vaccination and contact-tracing on our phones? Will Astra Zeneca's large vaccine factory suddenly burst into flames when they are about to begin production? Will the lion's share of contracts then go to U.S. Big Pharma? Will their prices conveniently go up by 20% the year after? Will we discover once again that Moderna patented specific genetic sequences of this virus a whole year before it was even spoken of in the news? Let's see if there's a repeat of events, and if we can learn something this time around.

yupper32 4y ago
> Will the lion's share of contracts then go to U.S. Big Pharma? What is this comment supposed to mean? Do you want the contracts to go to the small mom-and-pop pharma companies? Monkeypox, if it becomes a real big problem, will likely be very different than Covid-19. I think if we learn anything its that we should let the experts do their job and just listen to their advice, and not automatically think that everything we learned from Covid-19 will transfer over. It's pretty straightforward to do that, but we haven't even mastered that yet.
- lizardactivist 4y ago
  Read the line above, and put one and one together.
  - yupper32 4y ago
    What's your point? Smaller companies have a better chance of success? Why would that be?
sto_hristo 4y ago
Will you tell about the aliens and 5G again?
Izkata 4y ago
Here's one that's already making the rounds - Wuhan Institute of Virology was experimenting with constructing monkeypox virus last year: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X22000414 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X2... Meanwhile apparently on Chinese social media the claim is that the US released it intentionally: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10845749/Conspiracy-theories-swirl-China-monkeypox-deliberately-leaked-US.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10845749/Conspiracy... Aaaand their basis for that is remarkably similar to Event 201, a simulation about a coronavirus pandemic that happened in 2019, that originated in bats ( https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.ht... ).
gus_massa 4y ago
> Will there be a new mass-vaccination [...]? Probably not. It's not so contagious, for transmission is necessary close proximity and there are no asymptomatic cases. So I guess they will use ring vaccination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_vaccination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_vaccination I.E. If you get sick, they will vaccinate everyone that met you and everyone that met someone that met you, and perhaps everyone that met someone that met someone that met you. > and contact-tracing on our phones? If it's solved soon as I expected: no. If it takes more time, perhaps. Explaining ring vaccination is difficult and people will complain that the government is only vaccinating X and not Y. So they must do something for everyone, and an app is an easy solution. Also, remember that Big Telco already has all your data, and the government can get that easily, so a contact-tracing doesn't give them much more info.

yupper32 4y ago

> Will the lion's share of contracts then go to U.S. Big Pharma? What is this comment supposed to mean? Do you want the contracts to go to the small mom-and-pop pharma companies? Monkeypox, if it becomes a real big problem, will likely be very different than Covid-19. I think if we learn anything its that we should let the experts do their job and just listen to their advice, and not automatically think that everything we learned from Covid-19 will transfer over. It's pretty straightforward to do that, but we haven't even mastered that yet.

lizardactivist 4y ago
Read the line above, and put one and one together.
- yupper32 4y ago
  What's your point? Smaller companies have a better chance of success? Why would that be?

sto_hristo 4y ago

Will you tell about the aliens and 5G again?

Izkata 4y ago

Here's one that's already making the rounds - Wuhan Institute of Virology was experimenting with constructing monkeypox virus last year: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X22000414 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X2... Meanwhile apparently on Chinese social media the claim is that the US released it intentionally: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10845749/Conspiracy-theories-swirl-China-monkeypox-deliberately-leaked-US.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10845749/Conspiracy... Aaaand their basis for that is remarkably similar to Event 201, a simulation about a coronavirus pandemic that happened in 2019, that originated in bats ( https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.ht... ).

gus_massa 4y ago

> Will there be a new mass-vaccination [...]? Probably not. It's not so contagious, for transmission is necessary close proximity and there are no asymptomatic cases. So I guess they will use ring vaccination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_vaccination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_vaccination I.E. If you get sick, they will vaccinate everyone that met you and everyone that met someone that met you, and perhaps everyone that met someone that met someone that met you. > and contact-tracing on our phones? If it's solved soon as I expected: no. If it takes more time, perhaps. Explaining ring vaccination is difficult and people will complain that the government is only vaccinating X and not Y. So they must do something for everyone, and an app is an easy solution. Also, remember that Big Telco already has all your data, and the government can get that easily, so a contact-tracing doesn't give them much more info.