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Now this is totally unfounded, and verging on the nutty conspiracy theory side of life .. so please do feel free to cut me down; but is there a possibility that

by lwhi 4y ago

Now this is totally unfounded, and verging on the nutty conspiracy theory side of life .. so please do feel free to cut me down; but is there a possibility that this type of unusual virus / unusual pattern of transition, could be part of a larger terrorist type plot? The western world is currently at loggerheads with Russia. Russia has a track record of subterfuge (e.g. Salisbury poisoning in the UK). Feels like the gay community have been the most affected, which seems odd to me. The Russian government definitely doesn't hold much love for the LGBT community. Many of the people who have become symptomatic haven't been able to be traced to other people who've been similarly infected. Am I nuts for thinking along these lines?

cpr 4y ago
newsclues 4y ago
Or a globalist conspiracy to distract and divide people, while allowing more power to be centralized? Are there mid terms this year?
danenania 4y ago
In our globalized world, everyone suffers in a pandemic. This kind of attack would be as likely to devastate the attacker as their opponents, so there's really no motivation for a government to carry out attacks like this. It's another form of MAD deterrence. If it was possible to target people with specific genetics, it might be a slightly more realistic scenario. But considering that viruses regularly evolve enough to jump between species, it could still easily evolve to hurt the 'favored' population group as much as 'enemy' groups. On that note, if there's any silver lining at all to pandemics, they really do align the interests of all humans like no other threat/problem, save perhaps for some sci-fi scenarios like an impending asteroid impact or alien invasion. When it comes to viruses, we're all in the same boat.
- capitainenemo 4y ago
  But putting further stress on the countries opposing might help a cut-off Russia in the short term... I mean they already have virtually no travel across their borders, and what happens in next few months is probably of greater urgency to them than later.
  - danenania 4y ago
    By the same token though, a renewed pandemic in Russia could push them to a political and economic breaking point at a time when they're already stretched thin and vulnerable. If they want to lash out, they have many other ways to do so that carry far lower risk of crippling blowback. Covid showed that even strict border controls aren't sufficient to keep viruses out if they're contagious enough. No borders are 100% secure, and it only takes a single person getting through to light the match.
- lwhi 4y ago
  In my nutty conspiracy, the agent would simply disseminate the virus at bath houses. The more I think about it, the more it does seem like a nutty conspiracy. I did watch twelve monkey's many years ago!
capitainenemo 4y ago
https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/20/russia-planned-to-use-monkeypox-as-a-bioweapon-report-warned-16680912/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/20/russia-planned-to-use-monkeyp... "Russia’s military scientists researched using monkeypox as a bio-weapon until at least the early 1990s, according to newly resurfaced interviews with a former Russian army colonel."
323 4y ago
Russia performed very poorly in the Covid pandemic, it had one of the highest death rates in the world. It would be a pretty dumb plan for them to start a new pandemic.
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outworlder 4y ago
> Am I nuts for thinking along these lines? Probably. Unless some "gay gene" was identified and this virus was targeting carriers very specifically, any weapon like this is completely indiscriminate. Even if they somehow deliberately infected them, it would not be contained in the community for long. > Feels like the gay community have been the most affected, which seems odd to me. It can be sexually transmitted (among other vectors). Homosexual behavior is not the issue. Unprotected sex is (much higher chance if it's anal, as in most sexually transmitted diseases). And, it seems, any sort of close contact is sufficient. It's understandable that the gay community would be the canary for this issue. There's also some percentage of the population that will engage in unprotected sex regardless of orientation.
- lwhi 4y ago
  I like your candour :) > It can be sexually transmitted (among other vectors). Homosexual behavior is not the issue. Unprotected sex is (much higher chance if it's anal, as in most sexually transmitted diseases). And, it seems, any sort of close contact is sufficient. It's understandable that the gay community would be the canary for this issue. There's also some percentage of the population that will engage in unprotected sex regardless of orientation. I thought all that was needed was close physical contact (rubbing against a sore, sharing a towel etc). I don't think unprotected sex / anal sex is the issue here. Definitely doubt a condom is going to help much .. .. and as far as I know, Monkey Pox isn't a sexually transmitted disease. All seems very odd to me. However, as for me being nuts; maybe there is a high probability :)
lizardactivist 4y ago
Financial terrorist plot perhaps, if there could be hundreds of billions to be made in vaccine contracts. Let's wait and see who makes the most accusations, and most importantly, who stands to gain from all of this.
yucky 4y ago
>Feels like the gay community have been the most affected, which seems odd to me. Why would that seem odd, HIV/AIDS has always predominantly affected the gay community so this wouldn't the first virus to do that.
- lwhi 4y ago
  Because HIV/AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease. Monkey Pox just requires close contact.

by lwhi 4y ago

cpr 4y ago

newsclues 4y ago

Or a globalist conspiracy to distract and divide people, while allowing more power to be centralized? Are there mid terms this year?

danenania 4y ago

In our globalized world, everyone suffers in a pandemic. This kind of attack would be as likely to devastate the attacker as their opponents, so there's really no motivation for a government to carry out attacks like this. It's another form of MAD deterrence. If it was possible to target people with specific genetics, it might be a slightly more realistic scenario. But considering that viruses regularly evolve enough to jump between species, it could still easily evolve to hurt the 'favored' population group as much as 'enemy' groups. On that note, if there's any silver lining at all to pandemics, they really do align the interests of all humans like no other threat/problem, save perhaps for some sci-fi scenarios like an impending asteroid impact or alien invasion. When it comes to viruses, we're all in the same boat.

capitainenemo 4y ago
But putting further stress on the countries opposing might help a cut-off Russia in the short term... I mean they already have virtually no travel across their borders, and what happens in next few months is probably of greater urgency to them than later.
- danenania 4y ago
  By the same token though, a renewed pandemic in Russia could push them to a political and economic breaking point at a time when they're already stretched thin and vulnerable. If they want to lash out, they have many other ways to do so that carry far lower risk of crippling blowback. Covid showed that even strict border controls aren't sufficient to keep viruses out if they're contagious enough. No borders are 100% secure, and it only takes a single person getting through to light the match.
lwhi 4y ago
In my nutty conspiracy, the agent would simply disseminate the virus at bath houses. The more I think about it, the more it does seem like a nutty conspiracy. I did watch twelve monkey's many years ago!

capitainenemo 4y ago

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/20/russia-planned-to-use-monkeypox-as-a-bioweapon-report-warned-16680912/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/20/russia-planned-to-use-monkeyp... "Russia’s military scientists researched using monkeypox as a bio-weapon until at least the early 1990s, according to newly resurfaced interviews with a former Russian army colonel."

323 4y ago

Russia performed very poorly in the Covid pandemic, it had one of the highest death rates in the world. It would be a pretty dumb plan for them to start a new pandemic.

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outworlder 4y ago

> Am I nuts for thinking along these lines? Probably. Unless some "gay gene" was identified and this virus was targeting carriers very specifically, any weapon like this is completely indiscriminate. Even if they somehow deliberately infected them, it would not be contained in the community for long. > Feels like the gay community have been the most affected, which seems odd to me. It can be sexually transmitted (among other vectors). Homosexual behavior is not the issue. Unprotected sex is (much higher chance if it's anal, as in most sexually transmitted diseases). And, it seems, any sort of close contact is sufficient. It's understandable that the gay community would be the canary for this issue. There's also some percentage of the population that will engage in unprotected sex regardless of orientation.

lwhi 4y ago
I like your candour :) > It can be sexually transmitted (among other vectors). Homosexual behavior is not the issue. Unprotected sex is (much higher chance if it's anal, as in most sexually transmitted diseases). And, it seems, any sort of close contact is sufficient. It's understandable that the gay community would be the canary for this issue. There's also some percentage of the population that will engage in unprotected sex regardless of orientation. I thought all that was needed was close physical contact (rubbing against a sore, sharing a towel etc). I don't think unprotected sex / anal sex is the issue here. Definitely doubt a condom is going to help much .. .. and as far as I know, Monkey Pox isn't a sexually transmitted disease. All seems very odd to me. However, as for me being nuts; maybe there is a high probability :)

lizardactivist 4y ago

Financial terrorist plot perhaps, if there could be hundreds of billions to be made in vaccine contracts. Let's wait and see who makes the most accusations, and most importantly, who stands to gain from all of this.

yucky 4y ago

>Feels like the gay community have been the most affected, which seems odd to me. Why would that seem odd, HIV/AIDS has always predominantly affected the gay community so this wouldn't the first virus to do that.

lwhi 4y ago
Because HIV/AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease. Monkey Pox just requires close contact.