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And I'll show you 400k children -currently- in the foster care system, unadopted.

dane-pgp 4y ago
This suggests there is a simple solution for the abortion debate that will satisfy the (claimed) intentions of both side: Abortion should remain legal until there are zero unadopted children in the foster care system (for more than a year), and the outcomes for children who have been adopted are at least as good as those raised by their natural parents.
- robonerd 4y ago
  Clever idea, but a bad idea. What you propose would create an incentive for pro-choice activists to create red-tape in the adoption system, to ensure an adequate number of orphans remain unadopted. Furthermore, it would incentivize pro-life activists to adopt as many children as they can for all the wrong reasons.
  - lostcolony 4y ago
    So I think the poster was being facetious, but I'll point out neither of those incentives would hold. First, I've yet to meet a pro-choice person who didn't actually, you know, want the best outcomes for kids. They don't actually hate children, and there are other reasons to champion choice than "well, if they're born no one will adopt them" (despite what op says, pro-choice people don't ever list "no one will adopt them" as a reason to get an abortion. That whole line of reasoning is only a strawman presented by anti-abortion proponents. As you'll note even with this thread). Not to mention that if we got to "kid zero" with abortion at its current levels, it doesn't mean we'd stay at "kid zero" if you banned it. Second, op -did- say with the same quality of outcomes for adopted kids as raised by natural parents. If pro-life activists can adopt as many children as they can, for all the wrong reasons, and still lead to equivalent outcomes...I really don't see the problem.
    - robonerd 4y ago
      There are nasty people on all sides of every issue. Unevenly distributed perhaps, but never absent completely.
bruceb 4y ago
The comment said baby. Not children. People want babies, not so much children.
- lostcolony 4y ago
  Fine; I'll show you 100k children under the age of 3 entering the foster care system each year.
  - ars 4y ago
    "62% were placed with their adoptive families within a month of birth." Babies get adopted very quickly, the ones that don't are those with health issues.

This suggests there is a simple solution for the abortion debate that will satisfy the (claimed) intentions of both side: Abortion should remain legal until there are zero unadopted children in the foster care system (for more than a year), and the outcomes for children who have been adopted are at least as good as those raised by their natural parents.

robonerd 4y ago
Clever idea, but a bad idea. What you propose would create an incentive for pro-choice activists to create red-tape in the adoption system, to ensure an adequate number of orphans remain unadopted. Furthermore, it would incentivize pro-life activists to adopt as many children as they can for all the wrong reasons.
- lostcolony 4y ago
  So I think the poster was being facetious, but I'll point out neither of those incentives would hold. First, I've yet to meet a pro-choice person who didn't actually, you know, want the best outcomes for kids. They don't actually hate children, and there are other reasons to champion choice than "well, if they're born no one will adopt them" (despite what op says, pro-choice people don't ever list "no one will adopt them" as a reason to get an abortion. That whole line of reasoning is only a strawman presented by anti-abortion proponents. As you'll note even with this thread). Not to mention that if we got to "kid zero" with abortion at its current levels, it doesn't mean we'd stay at "kid zero" if you banned it. Second, op -did- say with the same quality of outcomes for adopted kids as raised by natural parents. If pro-life activists can adopt as many children as they can, for all the wrong reasons, and still lead to equivalent outcomes...I really don't see the problem.
  - robonerd 4y ago
    There are nasty people on all sides of every issue. Unevenly distributed perhaps, but never absent completely.

bruceb 4y ago

The comment said baby. Not children. People want babies, not so much children.

lostcolony 4y ago
Fine; I'll show you 100k children under the age of 3 entering the foster care system each year.
- ars 4y ago
  "62% were placed with their adoptive families within a month of birth." Babies get adopted very quickly, the ones that don't are those with health issues.