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That's not fair. Those extremists are succeeding in pushing their agenda.

jaywalk 4y ago
Show me a law on the books in any state that would outlaw abortion in the case of rape. Obviously it would be a "trigger law" since states can't actually have such a law right now, but no such law exists as far as I'm aware. Unless you can do that, it's not fair to claim that those extremists are succeeding in pushing anything. Edit: I'm not going to individually address all of the dishonest rhetoric from the articles in the replies. The states have laws allowing abortion up to a certain number of weeks, and then after that don't make exceptions. I was referring to outright bans.
- lostcolony 4y ago
  LMGTFY - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade-no-rape-incest-exceptions/629747/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme... 'In the past few years, though, the anti-abortion movement has moved in a different direction. In 2019, Alabama legislators passed an abortion ban that lacked rape and incest exceptions. Nine other states—Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas—have passed similar laws. Courts blocked all the laws but Texas’s; if Roe is overturned, it will be a felony for any Texas doctor to perform an abortion for a woman who was raped or impregnated by a family member. In March, Arizona Governor Doug Ducey signed an early-abortion ban without rape or incest exemptions.'
- comrh 4y ago
  There are plenty of examples, do your research https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-04-08/red-states-eliminate-rape-exceptions-from-abortion-bans https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-04-08/red-states...
- Cenk 4y ago
  Alabama: “The Human Life Protection Act "defines all unborn children as persons". It bans abortions AT ANY STAGE OF A PREGNANCY. The law provides for exceptions in cases where a fetus has a lethal anomaly (a medical condition that would cause the fetus to be stillborn or to die shortly following birth), or in cases where a pregnancy would "present serious health risk" to the woman. The law also allows abortions to be performed "upon confirmation from a psychiatrist" that a pregnant woman diagnosed with a "serious mental illness" might otherwise take an action that would lead to her own death or to the death of the fetus. The law does not ban procedures to end ectopic pregnancies or procedures in which a dead fetus is removed from the uterus. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE AN EXCEPTION IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act Here is another example, from Texas: “Senate Bill 8, ushered through the Republican-dominated Texas legislature and signed into law by the Republican governor, Greg Abbott, in May, bars abortion once embryonic cardiac activity is detected, which is around six weeks, and offers NO EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST. Texas is the first state to ban abortion this early in pregnancy since Roe v Wade, and last-minute efforts to halt it through an appeal to the US supreme court by Tuesday did not succeed.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/01/texas-abortion-law-supreme-court https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/01/texas-aborti... Further reading: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade-no-rape-incest-exceptions/629747/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/us/abortion-trigger-laws.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/us/abortion-trigger-laws....
- lkxijlewlf 4y ago
  Probably 8 or 10 states are ready to push extreme abortion laws. DeSantis has one on his desk ready to sign as soon as RvW is overturned (probably this week).
- elliekelly 4y ago
  Your edit is totally moving the goalposts. Do you realize many women won't even know they're pregnant until after the six weeks? By which point it will be much too late to get a legal abortion.
- deleted 4y ago
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- MockObject 4y ago
  If one honestly believes that abortion is murder, then the murder of an innocent person could not really be justified by a horrible crime between two other people.

Show me a law on the books in any state that would outlaw abortion in the case of rape. Obviously it would be a "trigger law" since states can't actually have such a law right now, but no such law exists as far as I'm aware. Unless you can do that, it's not fair to claim that those extremists are succeeding in pushing anything. Edit: I'm not going to individually address all of the dishonest rhetoric from the articles in the replies. The states have laws allowing abortion up to a certain number of weeks, and then after that don't make exceptions. I was referring to outright bans.

lostcolony 4y ago
LMGTFY - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade-no-rape-incest-exceptions/629747/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme... 'In the past few years, though, the anti-abortion movement has moved in a different direction. In 2019, Alabama legislators passed an abortion ban that lacked rape and incest exceptions. Nine other states—Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas—have passed similar laws. Courts blocked all the laws but Texas’s; if Roe is overturned, it will be a felony for any Texas doctor to perform an abortion for a woman who was raped or impregnated by a family member. In March, Arizona Governor Doug Ducey signed an early-abortion ban without rape or incest exemptions.'
comrh 4y ago
There are plenty of examples, do your research https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-04-08/red-states-eliminate-rape-exceptions-from-abortion-bans https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-04-08/red-states...
Cenk 4y ago
Alabama: “The Human Life Protection Act "defines all unborn children as persons". It bans abortions AT ANY STAGE OF A PREGNANCY. The law provides for exceptions in cases where a fetus has a lethal anomaly (a medical condition that would cause the fetus to be stillborn or to die shortly following birth), or in cases where a pregnancy would "present serious health risk" to the woman. The law also allows abortions to be performed "upon confirmation from a psychiatrist" that a pregnant woman diagnosed with a "serious mental illness" might otherwise take an action that would lead to her own death or to the death of the fetus. The law does not ban procedures to end ectopic pregnancies or procedures in which a dead fetus is removed from the uterus. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE AN EXCEPTION IN CASES OF RAPE OR INCEST.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act Here is another example, from Texas: “Senate Bill 8, ushered through the Republican-dominated Texas legislature and signed into law by the Republican governor, Greg Abbott, in May, bars abortion once embryonic cardiac activity is detected, which is around six weeks, and offers NO EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST. Texas is the first state to ban abortion this early in pregnancy since Roe v Wade, and last-minute efforts to halt it through an appeal to the US supreme court by Tuesday did not succeed.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/01/texas-abortion-law-supreme-court https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/01/texas-aborti... Further reading: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade-no-rape-incest-exceptions/629747/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/us/abortion-trigger-laws.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/us/abortion-trigger-laws....
lkxijlewlf 4y ago
Probably 8 or 10 states are ready to push extreme abortion laws. DeSantis has one on his desk ready to sign as soon as RvW is overturned (probably this week).
elliekelly 4y ago
Your edit is totally moving the goalposts. Do you realize many women won't even know they're pregnant until after the six weeks? By which point it will be much too late to get a legal abortion.
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MockObject 4y ago
If one honestly believes that abortion is murder, then the murder of an innocent person could not really be justified by a horrible crime between two other people.