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I’m confused by your first paragraph. Are you saying a parent should be able to kill a 12 year old?

by gadflyinyoureye 4y ago

denial 4y ago
I read it as only children should be able to receive abortions (e.g. when they are 14).
- h2odragon 4y ago
  Not what i meant, but interesting thought: the parent of a pregnant child should be able to force the child to have an abortion? Seems about as justifiable as circumcision by parental choice, doesn't it?
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h2odragon 4y ago
> Are you saying a parent should be able to kill a 12 year old? Yes, that is the correct reading. Note: This is an extreme statement to prompt discussion, not a deeply held belief that everyone must share. It's not that I don't feel this way; but i feel more strongly that this is a question that shows the limits of what the state can do.
- maximus-decimus 4y ago
  Just to be clear, you're advocating for this onion video to become real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXSPf9b-xI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXSPf9b-xI
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  " but i feel more strongly that this is a question that shows the limits of what the state can do" No, it just shows how extreme your property thinking is. A child is the property of their parents and they should be able to do with it, what they want? Even kill them, as it is their property? Nope. Those times have passed. And even in savage times, where this might have been more common, there was certainly social backslash, too.
  - h2odragon 4y ago
    For the record; i do not advocate "people as property". However, where the state holds us responsible for the actions of those living creatures in our care, the state does treat them (and us) as property.
    - hutzlibu 4y ago
      Only if you define property in a different way. Property can be sold for example. Children not, even though this happens underground.
      - xboxnolifes 4y ago
        Not all property is legal to be sold (see: drug possession vs distribution). Thus, it being illegal to sell children does not imply they are not property.
maximus-decimus 4y ago
Up to 17 years and 364 days old it seems.

I’m confused by your first paragraph. Are you saying a parent should be able to kill a 12 year old?

denial 4y ago

I read it as only children should be able to receive abortions (e.g. when they are 14).

h2odragon 4y ago
Not what i meant, but interesting thought: the parent of a pregnant child should be able to force the child to have an abortion? Seems about as justifiable as circumcision by parental choice, doesn't it?

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h2odragon 4y ago

> Are you saying a parent should be able to kill a 12 year old? Yes, that is the correct reading. Note: This is an extreme statement to prompt discussion, not a deeply held belief that everyone must share. It's not that I don't feel this way; but i feel more strongly that this is a question that shows the limits of what the state can do.

maximus-decimus 4y ago
Just to be clear, you're advocating for this onion video to become real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXSPf9b-xI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGXSPf9b-xI
hutzlibu 4y ago
" but i feel more strongly that this is a question that shows the limits of what the state can do" No, it just shows how extreme your property thinking is. A child is the property of their parents and they should be able to do with it, what they want? Even kill them, as it is their property? Nope. Those times have passed. And even in savage times, where this might have been more common, there was certainly social backslash, too.
- h2odragon 4y ago
  For the record; i do not advocate "people as property". However, where the state holds us responsible for the actions of those living creatures in our care, the state does treat them (and us) as property.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    Only if you define property in a different way. Property can be sold for example. Children not, even though this happens underground.
    - xboxnolifes 4y ago
      Not all property is legal to be sold (see: drug possession vs distribution). Thus, it being illegal to sell children does not imply they are not property.

maximus-decimus 4y ago

Up to 17 years and 364 days old it seems.